[Albion] Where is Moises going? (Chelsea - 14/08/2023)

[Bozza]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't their Fofana ACL injury mean Colwill to us in dead and buried?

I think it comes down to whether that means Colwill is likely to play more often than not.

They clearly rate him, and rightly so, but do they rate/trust him enough yet to drop into the deep end this season? After last season's clusterfuck, they will be desperate for a significantly better campaign.

If they go into the market for a more experienced centre-back, and see Colwill as a squad member/backup for this season, I don't think that will be enough for him as he wants regular first-team minutes. I don't know if that scenario would be sufficient for a move to be engineered.

 

[Live by the sea]

He only knew him a relative 5 minutes.

True but they have bonded probably helps both speaking Spanish . The two families are quite friendly I understand . Cucu has younger kids twins.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Colwill wanting to join has been concrete since the tail end of last season.

I don't know if the subsequent interest from Liverpool and Spurs may influence that. Very possibly not - he seems to be a level-headed young man who wants to get his head down, play as many games as he can to help him further learn his trade, with the big club options will be there for him later on, by which time he will be a guaranteed starter.

Is that concrete in that you know for a fact that he's wanted to join us since before the season ended or an educated guess?

I'd assumed that it was a little like Ben White during the Leeds 'saga' in that he'd probably be happy whichever way it went. There has certainly been plenty of positive noises since the end of the season to suggest he's keen but it's good to know it's a definite wish.

 

[Acker79]

Suspect Cucurella is thinking about himself. Play up the connection to Caicedo, a player that a lot of Chelsea fan want, and some of that positivity can rub off on him, he can imply he played a part in getting Caicedo in, etc. maybe the fans wiill ease off on him.

 

[Bozza]

Is that concrete in that you know for a fact that he's wanted to join us since before the season ended or an educated guess?

I'd assumed that it was a little like Ben White during the Leeds 'saga' in that he'd probably be happy whichever way it went. There has certainly been plenty of positive noises since the end of the season to suggest he's keen but it's good to know it's a definite wish.

I was told he wanted to join us "from a very good source" back in April/May time.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

I was told he wanted to join us "from a very good source" back in April/May time.

That's fantastic!

 

[GT49er]

I think it comes down to whether that means Colwill is likely to play more often than not.

They clearly rate him, and rightly so, but do they rate/trust him enough yet to drop into the deep end this season? After last season's clusterfuck, they will be desperate for a significantly better campaign.

If they go into the market for a more experienced centre-back, and see Colwill as a squad member/backup for this season, I don't think that will be enough for him as he wants regular first-team minutes. I don't know if that scenario would be sufficient for a move to be engineered.

A lot depends on how forward thinking Colwill is. If he thinks he can survive for two years on whatever salary he's on at the moment (wouldn't be difficult for most of us!), he can expect to hit the jackpot in 2025 when he leaves Chelsea on a free with a massive signing on bonus somewhere (it won't be to us, sadly). If he tells Chelsea that that is his intention, and that he's not going to sign a new contract, that changes the game altogether. Selling him for £40M now (with a massive sell-on clause of course) might be their best option, or loaning him now with an option to buy in 2024. Could be good news for us.

......and, of course, it also depends how much they want Caicedo............................

 

[spence]

That's fantastic!

Means absolutely nothing. Footballers will say anything just to please. Even if Colwell refuses to sign a new deal I fully expect his valuation to be around 50 million. To much for us unless a deal can be struck with Moises.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Means absolutely nothing. Footballers will say anything just to please. Even if Colwell refuses to sign a new deal I fully expect his valuation to be around 50 million. To much for us unless a deal can be struck with Moises.

It doesn't 'Mean absolutely nothing.'

It means that whilst he may be persuaded to stay with Chelsea or move elsewhere, he, at least, like the idea of joining us. If he didn't he'd likely state that he was looking forward to getting back to London.

 

[Lenny Rider]

Usually reliable sauce.

Latest offer from West London, £80million now or £100 million over three years.

Tony thankfully digging his heels in over the 100 mil.

 

[Johnny RoastBeef]

Means absolutely nothing. Footballers will say anything just to please. Even if Colwell refuses to sign a new deal I fully expect his valuation to be around 50 million. To much for us unless a deal can be struck with Moises.

That would put him in the top 15 most expensive defenders of all time.

Only a club as mad as Chelsea would pay that much for a novice.

 

[ConfusedGloryHunter]

That would put him in the top 15 most expensive defenders of all time.

Only a club as mad as Chelsea would pay that much for a novice.

Or on a par with Ben White

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Usually reliable sauce.

Latest offer from West London, £80million now or £100 million over three years.

Tony thankfully digging his heels in over the 100 mil.

He'll get it too. Or the player stays with us. Bit of a win-win for TB really

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I was told he wanted to join us "from a very good source" back in April/May time.

Levi Colwill has made no secret of his admiration of RDZ as a coach/manager.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Levi Colwill has made no secret of his admiration of RDZ as a coach/manager.

Player clearly loves the club ethos / team spirit / amount of game time at the Albion also. Dare say he's a big fan fr little old Brighton town also. He feels like One Of Our Own. Shame if he slipped through the net. From the club's POV, he'd be as sound an investment as they come, at this stage in his career

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Player clearly loves the club ethos / team spirit / amount of game time at the Albion also. Dare say he's a big fan fr little old Brighton town also. He feels like One Of Our Own. Shame if he slipped through the net. From the club's POV, he'd be as sound an investment as they come, at this stage in his career

True but I suspect when RDZ moves on, so will Colwill's affection for BHAFC.

Colwill praises the RDZ influence, then says: I've got to keep playing

Levi Colwill has spoken of the huge impact Roberto De Zerbi has made on his developing career.

www.theargus.co.uk

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

True but I suspect when RDZ moves on, so will Colwill's affection for BHAFC.

Colwill praises the RDZ influence, then says: I've got to keep playing

Levi Colwill has spoken of the huge impact Roberto De Zerbi has made on his developing career.

www.theargus.co.uk

Cross that bridge when we come to it tho eh?

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Means absolutely nothing. Footballers will say anything just to please. Even if Colwell refuses to sign a new deal I fully expect his valuation to be around 50 million. To much for us unless a deal can be struck with Moises.

I guess it depends on your meaning of nothing.

It means that there is a willingness on his side to play for us.

Which means that should Chelsea change their minds and find him surplus-ish to requirements then a deal can be made.

It means that if Chelsea do decide to sell him and we go in for him we have a good chance of signing him even if other teams are interested.

It means that he may well refuse to sign a new contract which means that his value will start dropping from January. It's feasible IMO that we could tell him to hold tight until January and we'll be back in.

It doesn't mean that we're definitely going to sign him but it does show that he actively wants to play for us rather than it being a 'yeah, I can take it or leave it' situation. Where there's a will, there's at least a hint of a way.

 

[Surrey Phil]

The key to any deal will not only be the amount but how it is paid. I read (somewhere) that the £70m bid was in instalments over several years.

 

[brighton_tom]

The key to any deal will not only be the amount but how it is paid. I read (somewhere) that the £70m bid was in instalments over several years.

Yep. We have every right to demand a big fee, and we have every right to want that fee paid up immediately (or in the near future). No reason to be doing Chelsea favours on either of those. & instalments payments over many years doesn’t help us that much. Why should we help their FFP situation?