[Albion] Where is Moises going? (Chelsea - 14/08/2023)

[severnside gull]

£70m really is insulting

 

[peterward]

'This point will be reiterated directly to Brighton today.'

I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall if that was done face-to-face.

It's clear TB and co have a figure in mind – and they've probably told Chelsea they won't settle for less. But it's probably nearer £100m than £70m, so why are Chelsea Todd, Losestanley and the rest of them pissing about with bids that they know will be rejected? Just stump up the money (or at least something closer to it) and get it done!

Bloom should tell his agents to go f**k themselves. Their job is to get the best contract for their client. Blooms job is to get the best return for Brighton for his investment. Its not for the agents to decide how much is a fair or good offer that Albion should accept, anymore than its none of Blooms business to decide how much Chelsea should pay Caicedo per week.

If the club said he can move if the right offer comes in, then sit back and let the club and Chelsea get to that point, it has nothing to do with the agents what that figure is, its between Brighton and Chelsea.

 

[pasty]

£70m really is insulting

Maybe they forgot the “and Levi Colwill” bit.

 

[Stato]

I guess it's embarrassing for Brighton if caciedo kicks off again and acts like we are holding him as a slave !! So they can probably knock a few mill off the asking price by getting him riled up in public. So it's probably a good tactic and may make Brighton think about offloading him for less than desired.

It's dirty though so I hope we hold firm.

It's a tactic that Man City tried with Cucurella. It didn't work. He signed for the team that paid Bloom's asking price. This is a Ben White - Leeds situation. We'd be strengthening a direct rival. He is 21. His value's not going to go down any time soon. Bloom will be making it clear that he doesn't need to sell and that If they won't pay what he's worth in this window, somebody else will in a future window. His agents obviously haven't been as smart as Ali Mac's dad was. He might have promises about letting him go for the right price, but his agents have no say in naming that price.

 

[nwgull]

if Rice is worth £105m - then considering Moises had him in his pocket Veltman style when we played them he is worth more - simples

or put another way - the thing is Todd he is twice as good as Cucurella - you do the maths

To reinforce that point, Caicedo has played Rice 3 times in his 18 month Brighton career. I know there's more to a team than one man on each side, but the aggregate score is 9-1 to Caicedo.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

When you've accepted he's off, things like this are actually quite fun. It's all panto isn't it. Chelsea will get to the number eventually but let's have a bit of fun with them before that. Cucu mk II

 

[Badger Boy]

Chelsea have been embarrassed as a club twice by us in the last twelve months with Cucurella and Potter. Both of their own making mind. Nonetheless that is why I can't see us getting Colwill and also why they are being difficult (in now expecting Moises to apply pressure behind the scenes) with Caicedo. That's my two-penneth.

Cue Colwill arriving and Moises off for £100m.

I make it 4 times - Cucurella, Potter, the game at the Amex and the game at the Bridge.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

I'm sure in your head this answers the question but it really doesn't.

We are not a wholesaler only worried about profit and loss, we are a football team that does not want to lose a player unless we get a huge amount of money for them. It doesn't matter if we paid 3m or 30m to buy him, he is worth either whatever money some other team is willing to spend on him or a bit more to us to make us keep him.

It does answer the question for me. Football club owners absolutely are worried about profit and loss. As you say yourself, a player is worth what others are willing to pay, which clearly isn’t £100m+. Ultimately we have to be realistic. It won’t be long before Caicedo starts his strop and you have ask how that will benefit the club. When the club reminds itself that Moises cost us 3m, it’s much easier to reconcile itself to gaining 'only' 87m gross profit than 97m. I admire Bloom obviously but he also knows he’s playing a risky game especially if, as has been reported, Caicedo's people are starting to leak stories to the press about Moises being ‘disrespected'.

This is going to get messy very quickly IMO.

 

[CHAPPERS]

We'd be strengthening a direct rival.

This is a very good point. They may be a bigger club than us but as it stands we are fighting for the same Euorpean places.

 

[Clive Walker]

We rejected £70m in jan. how stupid are they?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It does answer the question for me. Football club owners absolutely are worried about profit and loss. As you say yourself, a player is worth what others are willing to pay, which clearly isn’t £100m+. Ultimately we have to be realistic. It won’t be long before Caicedo starts his strop and you have ask how that will benefit the club. When the club reminds itself that Moises cost us 3m, it’s much easier to reconcile itself to gaining 'only' 87m gross profit than 97m. I admire Bloom obviously but he also knows he’s playing a risky game especially if, as has been reported, Caicedo's people are starting to leak stories to the press about Moises being ‘disrespected'.

This is going to get messy very quickly IMO.

Sorry, but that post is hilarious. Tony Bloom not being realistic, and playing a risky game?

 

[Insel affe]

We rejected £70m in jan. how stupid are they?

Very

 

[casbom]

If his agents think they can try and embarrass Bloom & Co to lower the price and compromise then they really are very thick! Surely they would have learned as it didn't work in Jan! Plus going back to when Stephens had a massive strop and tried to leave by pushing through a transfer request, all it did was strengthen our resolve.

We've got a figure in mind, we (Bloom) won't give two shits on whether it upsets his agents/Chelsea. Pay it or inc Colwill to lower the cash amount or fu*k off. Those are the 3 choices.

 

[wardy wonder land]

TB knows what he is doing, if he wants to let MC sit in the reserves until Jan he can afford to do that
MC will go for £90M this window (or £70M +Colwill) or he will go for £90M in Jan

what is funny, that we play CFC on sunday in the states, all parties will be there

what would be great - if Colwill started for chelsea and MC for us - then at half time they swapped shirts and swapped sides

 

[Greg Bobkin]

As some Chelsea fella said on Twitter, which I saw a moment ago: 'Brighton obviously want the £80-100m so we either pay earlier or drag it till the deadline day and still pay their asking price like Enzo’s deal.'

Caicedo can feel as 'disrespected'* as much as he wants by Brighton, but surely the club he wants to move to not paying what his current employer (and many other 'experts' in the game) think he's worth is even MORE 'disrespectful', no?

*I don't for one second believe he actually feels disrespected. He just wants his big-money move, as do the agents because then they get a nice big chunk of cash too.

 

[brighton_tom]

Chelsea know we have an excellent bargaining position on this deal. He's a young talented player, who's on a very long contract with us, and we dont desperately need the money being offered for him. They know that realistically if Tony has set a figure there's little that can make him sway from it, and there's not really any reason why he should. So all this talk thats filtering out of Chelsea through their twitter mouthpieces saying ''£70m should be enough! Caicedo is unhappy! You need to be flexible!'' is just their attempt at cracking Mr Bloom's resolve. Shame for them he's a world class poker player who's currently holding a hand full of aces, and very used to this situation. Its highly likely that eventually Chelsea will get their man, but in terms of the fee we just need to stand firm, ignore the twitter bullshit, and wait until Chelsea realise that the price is the price & pay up (or f*** off).

 

[Weststander]

TB knows what he is doing, if he wants to let MC sit in the reserves until Jan he can afford to do that
MC will go for £90M this window (or £70M +Colwill) or he will go for £90M in Jan

what is funny, that we play CFC on sunday in the states, all parties will be there

what would be great - if Colwill started for chelsea and MC for us - then at half time they swapped shirts and swapped sides

Look for Poch putting his arm on the shoulder of MC at final whistle

 

[cjd]

It does answer the question for me. Football club owners absolutely are worried about profit and loss. As you say yourself, a player is worth what others are willing to pay, which clearly isn’t £100m+. Ultimately we have to be realistic. It won’t be long before Caicedo starts his strop and you have ask how that will benefit the club. When the club reminds itself that Moises cost us 3m, it’s much easier to reconcile itself to gaining 'only' 87m gross profit than 97m. I admire Bloom obviously but he also knows he’s playing a risky game especially if, as has been reported, Caicedo's people are starting to leak stories to the press about Moises being ‘disrespected'.

This is going to get messy very quickly I hope.

I think the £10 million you talk of is roughly £10 million in spending terms in Chelsea too.

Who would have known...?

 

[schmunk]

When you've accepted he's off, things like this are actually quite fun. It's all panto isn't it.

Oh no it isn't...

 

[JBizzle]

Look for Poch putting his arm on the shoulder of MC at final whistle

I'd be very surprised if MC is involved in any capacity on Saturday given he and Pervis only rejoined the squad yesterday.