When will the UN do something ?

[Buzzer]

I wondered when you would pop up.

I would be proud if my son represented Britain at something, does not mean I could then not be critical of the government.

There's a world apart from being critical of a country and thinking it's no better than a terrorist state. I very much doubt anyone in good conscience could represent a country they thought was the latter, let alone express pride in doing so.

Given that Kayal is a Muslim and Hemed is Jewish and both are proud Israelis I suspect that their situation and opinions are a little more informed and a little more complex than those of us on the outside and so yes, I think that both players may well be nonplussed at some of the comments and generalisations in this thread, yours included.

 

[Swillis]

There's a world apart from being critical of a country and thinking it's no better than a terrorist state. I very much doubt anyone in good conscience could represent a country they thought was the latter, let alone express pride in doing so.

Given that Kayal is a Muslim and Hemed is Jewish and both are proud Israelis I suspect that their situation and opinions are a little more informed and a little more complex than those of us on the outside and so yes, I think that both players may well be nonplussed at some of the comments and generalisations in this thread, yours included.

Oh well I will get over it. Unless the media are purposely painting Israel in a bad light then the state of Israel should feel ashamed of their actions, I stand by my comments.
What they do and somehow get away with is nothing but bullying.

 

[Robot Chicken]

Israel is perfectly entitled to build in Sumaria and Judea.

 

[Steve Foster]

Oh well I will get over it. Unless the media are purposely painting Israel in a bad light then the state of Israel should feel ashamed of their actions, I stand by my comments.
What they do and somehow get away with is nothing but bullying.

If you lived in a country the size of Wales, of which 25% of your population is Arab & your neighbours are threatening, then perhaps you would take a slightly different stance, than the current one in your armchair in Sussex.

Thankfully & more importantly most of the civilised world is with Israel

 

[daveinprague]

If you lived in a country the size of Wales, of which 25% of your population is Arab & your neighbours are threatening, then perhaps you would take a slightly different stance, than the current one in your armchair in Sussex.

Thankfully & more importantly most of the civilised world is with Israel

Have you heard of the United Nations by any chance?

 

[Buzzer]

Have you heard of the United Nations by any chance?

That's the organisation that elected a Saudi Arabian to chair the Human Rights Council, isn't it?

 

[Robot Chicken]

No one has mentioned yet that the Arabs deliberately abandoned their homes in Sumaria and Judea, making themselves homeless as they thought the Arab armies would annihilate Israel in 1948. Unfortunately (for the Arabs) Israel won that war but Jordan captured Sumaria and Judea, renaming them the "West Bank". Israel re-captured this from Jordan in 1967. Meanwhile the "Palestinian" movement was created in 1964. One day the residents went to bed as Jordanians and woke up as "Palestinians".

As the Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul Hadi told the Peel Commission in 1937: "There is no such country as Palestine. Palestine is a term the Zionists invented. Palestine is alien to us."

The flag of Palestine was the Star of David as seen in this 1939 French dictionary.

Jordan should repatriate the "Palestinian" Arabs to the East Bank across the River Jordan.

 

[Swillis]

If you lived in a country the size of Wales, of which 25% of your population is Arab & your neighbours are threatening, then perhaps you would take a slightly different stance, than the current one in your armchair in Sussex.

Thankfully & more importantly most of the civilised world is with Israel

As far as I know, Wales are not trying to expand into England. The only reason the civilised world is with you is because of the prominent Jews in other countries and the Jewish lobby in America. It's certainly nothing to do with Israel's actions, which ard roundly criticised.

 

[daveinprague]

That's the organisation that elected a Saudi Arabian to chair the Human Rights Council, isn't it?

It is, but it does represent many nations, not just ours, and we are a fundamental part of that organisation. My reason for mentioning it, was in response to the...most people in the world support Israel.

 

[Steve Foster]

As far as I know, Wales are not trying to expand into England. The only reason the civilised world is with you is because of the prominent Jews in other countries and the Jewish lobby in America. It's certainly nothing to do with Israel's actions, which ard roundly criticised.

Ha, ha, ha - that old myth. 14 million Jews in the world & half of them live in Israel, compared to how many millions & millions (or billions of Muslims!). I think the leaders of our Western World are bombarded many times over by the Muslims than the Jews on such issues.

 

[Wardy's twin]

I think no one will disagree that the state of Israel has been responsible for a number of bad things and to deny that would be wrong, however, to start saying it is a monster beggars belief.

 

[Diego Napier]

That's the organisation that elected a Saudi Arabian to chair the Human Rights Council, isn't it?

and?

 

[Buzzer]

and?

At the very least, it does bring into question its moral legitimacy.

The UN is just a talking shop. UN sanctions are imposed and enforced on N Korea for breaching UN resolutions and not Israel because of politics. The UN does nothing about the most basic of human rights of gay people, women or religious minorities in Iran, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Russia or Turkey because politics.

The UN says that the US and UK can't go to war but let them anyway because politics. The UN ignores the human trafficking directed by its own troops in Bosnia because politics. It let Rwandans get slaughtered in front of its own peacekeeping forces because politics. The rapes, the murders and profiteering that still goes on with its forces is allowed because politics. It appoints horrendously bigoted Saudis as chairs of human rights councils because politics. It refuses even to condemn in the weakest terms the destruction of democracy in Venezuela by a despicable socialist junta because politics. The forced child labour in Kazakhstan cotton fields doesn't get mentioned because...politics. Pakistan, Ivory Coast, Somalia, Chad, Mauritania all have horrendous issues with slavery - no sanctions and all because of politics.

The idea that the United Nations represents civility or some sort of moral high ground is laughable. I'm certainly not saying that Israel is a paragon of virtue and there are important issues that urgently need addressing but UN resolutions against a country are clearly no indication of just how free the people of that country are, nor where the UN should be prioritising to protect human life.

 

[Robot Chicken]

This is worth a watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_3A6_qSBBQ&feature=youtu.be

 

[Albion my Albion]

Nobody is berating Jews, they are berating Israel. Some people really are to stupid for words.

See my signature.

 

[Diego Napier]

At the very least, it does bring into question its moral legitimacy.

The UN is just a talking shop. UN sanctions are imposed and enforced on N Korea for breaching UN resolutions and not Israel because of politics. The UN does nothing about the most basic of human rights of gay people, women or religious minorities in Iran, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Russia or Turkey because politics.

The UN says that the US and UK can't go to war but let them anyway because politics. The UN ignores the human trafficking directed by its own troops in Bosnia because politics. It let Rwandans get slaughtered in front of its own peacekeeping forces because politics. The rapes, the murders and profiteering that still goes on with its forces is allowed because politics. It appoints horrendously bigoted Saudis as chairs of human rights councils because politics. It refuses even to condemn in the weakest terms the destruction of democracy in Venezuela by a despicable socialist junta because politics. The forced child labour in Kazakhstan cotton fields doesn't get mentioned because...politics. Pakistan, Ivory Coast, Somalia, Chad, Mauritania all have horrendous issues with slavery - no sanctions and all because of politics.

The idea that the United Nations represents civility or some sort of moral high ground is laughable. I'm certainly not saying that Israel is a paragon of virtue and there are important issues that urgently need addressing but UN resolutions against a country are clearly no indication of just how free the people of that country are, nor where the UN should be prioritising to protect human life.

Ah, the human condition; language elevated homo sapiens to the apex of the food chain but politics rules the world.

Thanks for your rather more erudite response and yet at the very most it does is bring into question the UN's moral legitimacy. Is the UN perfect? Of course not. Would we be better off without it? Surely not, it's all we have, without that imperfect totem then abandon hope, we're simply warring tribes.

You state "the UN is simply a talking shop" yet due in part to UN peacekeeping efforts and conflict resolution, fewer people died in the first decade of the 21st century than in any decade of the 20th. South Africa and Kazakhstan gave up nuclear weapons, others submit to nuclear weapons inspections. Your confirmation bias also eschews significant achievements of the UN through it's agencies( WHO, UNICEF, UNESCO, World Bank, IMF etc) such as the eradication of Smallpox and moving the world from 70 million people dying of famine in the last century to one where none will die by the end of this (equitable redistribution of wealth is obviously an objective consigned to the far distant future!).

You question the UN's civility and yet strip out your emotive adjectives, no leave them in, and all your accusations could equally apply to Britain during the last few decades. And yet morally we're moving on. Although of course we're still selling arms to Saudi Arabia......

Are you being naive or is it faux outrage? World morality, if there is such a thing, is inevitably tempered by national self interests, politics rules the world. A Saudi Arabian has been appointed as chair of a panel of independent experts on the human rights council. How much influence will he have and how much more influence will the world through the UN bring to bear on him and Saudi Arabia?

 

[Swillis]

Ha, ha, ha - that old myth. 14 million Jews in the world & half of them live in Israel, compared to how many millions & millions (or billions of Muslims!). I think the leaders of our Western World are bombarded many times over by the Muslims than the Jews on such issues.

It's not a myth, the Jewish American lobby is very powerful. What they lack in numbers they more than make up for in dollars.

 

[Buzzer]

Ah, the human condition; language elevated homo sapiens to the apex of the food chain but politics rules the world.

Thanks for your rather more erudite response and yet at the very most it does is bring into question the UN's moral legitimacy. Is the UN perfect? Of course not. Would we be better off without it? Surely not, it's all we have, without that imperfect totem then abandon hope, we're simply warring tribes.

You state "the UN is simply a talking shop" yet due in part to UN peacekeeping efforts and conflict resolution, fewer people died in the first decade of the 21st century than in any decade of the 20th. South Africa and Kazakhstan gave up nuclear weapons, others submit to nuclear weapons inspections. Your confirmation bias also eschews significant achievements of the UN through it's agencies( WHO, UNICEF, UNESCO, World Bank, IMF etc) such as the eradication of Smallpox and moving the world from 70 million people dying of famine in the last century to one where none will die by the end of this (equitable redistribution of wealth is obviously an objective consigned to the far distant future!).

You question the UN's civility and yet strip out your emotive adjectives, no leave them in, and all your accusations could equally apply to Britain during the last few decades. And yet morally we're moving on. Although of course we're still selling arms to Saudi Arabia......

Are you being naive or is it faux outrage? World morality, if there is such a thing, is inevitably tempered by national self interests, politics rules the world. A Saudi Arabian has been appointed as chair of a panel of independent experts on the human rights council. How much influence will he have and how much more influence will the world through the UN bring to bear on him and Saudi Arabia?

Parklife.

 

[symyjym]

This is worth a watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_3A6_qSBBQ&feature=youtu.be

Suffering is part of the ideology. Muslims are taugh/brainwashed to embrace it for higher rewards in heaven. Being killed is a win win for the believer because it allows other Muslims to play the suffering card even though they know the martyr is partying with Allah in Jannah.

We see it with the Burka. On one hand they complain about integration and on the other hand they complain about their right to not integrate and insist on wearing a Burka as a political statement. When the Burka is banned they will claim oppression and suffering.

 

[Albion my Albion]

Yet christians can laugh at muslims for believing they will get virgins for eternity and in the same breath think they will spend eternity with jesus.