[Football] When will the Premier League play in fromnt of full houses again?

[Kinky Gerbil]

That would certainly explain a few of our signings.

Lol

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Under such a proposal, and with no plan to vaccinate children currently, kids wouldn't be able to go to football for a while (ever?) nor attend many other social events, nor travel. The same could be said for any that, for medical reasons are not able to receive the vaccine, ie not those who just don't want to.

I'm also not sure the club would want to (be able to?) take on the burden of validating up to 30,000 people, particularly given some may change game-by-game and if there is a rolling vaccination programme, say annually, it will remain an ongoing exercise as people get their next jab.

If not evidenced, then a declaration on their membership record. Needs something!

 

[crodonilson]

Eh ?All the data is being reported DAILY. We'll know EXACTLY when and how rates of death, ICU, hospitalisation and infection are dropping and by how much (and where). We will reach various points, DURING the vaccination programme, when restrictions will be eased ,partly because the country is being strangled in the meantime. It's risk management - happy to be pulled up on this at a later date but I think as soon as there are meaningful drops in the numbers (and following a trend) and pressure on the NHS has eased we'll see very proactive reviews of the tiers on an ongoing basis. There is no chance we'll be waiting 'a few months after the whole of he adult population has been vaccinated'. Normality may be a way off, but I don't think 'near normality' will be.

The data reported daily naturally has a time lag, those deaths may have occured several days or even weeks before, but more generally tere are so many unknowns with this virus and with a signifcant proportion opting not to take the vaccinatiuon and only possibly 70% efficacy at least on one jab and with currently an R rate above 1 even in lockdown meaning there are probably 100k cases per day circulating which will continue at massively high numbers for many months, plus many possible mutations with such massive current circulation it will take time to understand the true impact of any relaxations on lockdown. So I'd expect there will be a slow, cautious regression into a toughened up tier system after lockdown and then as the data supports any easing hasn't seen a rise in cases and deaths (and there is a time lag of several weeks or months on this) then we will cautiously tip-toe down the tiers to a point of a new normality, with some restrictions remaining but much looser and closer to 2019 normal.

 

[loz]

I’m completely pro vaccination, but this is ridiculous.

You can’t force people to put something into their bodies.

I’m also not sure a football club should have any knowledge of someone’s medical history.

You are then onto the how long will it take, if you don’t get a booster every year are you then banned?

Very much this.

Some people have very strong beliefs, beliefs people like you and I cant understand. I was listening to the radio and this lady from African decent and very religious was say that she has nothing against anyone having a vaccine, but she believes her trust in God will save her and a remedy of Honey and ginger she knows is as good if not better than a vaccine....I don't get it you might not get it but its her strong beliefs and no one should deny any other human that.

And I would have thought be the beginning of next season we will have crowds maybe not 100% but at least 50% at first.

 

[WilburySeagull]

Very much this.

Some people have very strong beliefs, beliefs people like you and I cant understand. I was listening to the radio and this lady from African decent and very religious was say that she has nothing against anyone having a vaccine, but she believes her trust in God will save her and a remedy of Honey and ginger she knows is as good if not better than a vaccine....I don't get it you might not get it but its her strong beliefs and no one should deny any other human that.

And I would have thought be the beginning of next season we will have crowds maybe not 100% but at least 50% at first.

I dont question anyones right to refuse vaccine but likewise thr refuser has to accept there might be consequences if a private organisation decides to discriminate against them by refusing entry or service.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I’m completely pro vaccination, but this is ridiculous.

You can’t force people to put something into their bodies.

I’m also not sure a football club should have any knowledge of someone’s medical history.

You are then onto the how long will it take, if you don’t get a booster every year are you then banned?

Nobody will be forced. However, venues have a responsibility to protect all of their customers from the virus. No-one has the right to attend football, concerts etc. and if the Albion or any other organization wants to put vaccination into its terms and conditions that’s what will happen. It may be a Government condition of opening grounds to fans. If people want to refuse the vaccine they will have to take the consequences.

 

[dazzer6666]

The data reported daily naturally has a time lag, those deaths may have occured several days or even weeks before, but more generally tere are so many unknowns with this virus and with a signifcant proportion opting not to take the vaccinatiuon and only possibly 70% efficacy at least on one jab and with currently an R rate above 1 even in lockdown meaning there are probably 100k cases per day circulating which will continue at massively high numbers for many months, plus many possible mutations with such massive current circulation it will take time to understand the true impact of any relaxations on lockdown. So I'd expect there will be a slow, cautious regression into a toughened up tier system after lockdown and then as the data supports any easing hasn't seen a rise in cases and deaths (and there is a time lag of several weeks or months on this) then we will cautiously tip-toe down the tiers to a point of a new normality, with some restrictions remaining but much looser and closer to 2019 normal.

We’re not going to align on this.........will just have to wait and see.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Nobody will be forced. However, venues have a responsibility to protect all of their customers from the virus. No-one has the right to attend football, concerts etc. and if the Albion or any other organization wants to put vaccination into its terms and conditions that’s what will happen. It may be a Government condition of opening grounds to fans. If people want to refuse the vaccine they will have to take the consequences.

The Vaccine protects you

That is also discrimination on medical grounds, so unless they change the law it can’t happen.

I’m not sure many courts would want to touch that.

So what do you do with people who haven’t gotten any potential yearly jab?

Kids?

Medical grounds?

Religious?

Pregnant woman?

 

[BrianWade4]

From the start of next season

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Restrictions on large gatherings likely to be in place 'for next few years'
Tim Spector, professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College London, has warned that some changes to large gatherings are likely to be in place for "the next few years".

"I can't see us suddenly having another Cheltenham Festival with no regulations again," he said. "I can't see us having massive weddings with people coming from all over the world, I think for the next few years those days are gone.

"I think we should still continue to do the easy things, keeping our distance from each other in public, masks, handwashing etc, these things don't cost really anything to do."

He added: "I think we need to get used to that and that will allow us to do the things we really want to do more easily and more readily."

Addressing infection rates as seen in his Zoe Covid Symptom Study UK Infection Survey, he said: "We're moving towards where rates are generally much lower everywhere, we're seeing about one in 170 people on average affected."

Asked at what level he would say it is sensible to start easing restrictions, he replied: "I think around one in 250 would be where I start to become more comfortable, but it also depends on the context at the time and things like hospitals and death rates as well, because I don't think we should be fixated on any one particular parameter, we've got to look at the overall picture.

 

[crookie]

Restrictions on large gatherings likely to be in place 'for next few years'
Tim Spector, professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College London, has warned that some changes to large gatherings are likely to be in place for "the next few years".

"I can't see us suddenly having another Cheltenham Festival with no regulations again," he said. "I can't see us having massive weddings with people coming from all over the world, I think for the next few years those days are gone.

"I think we should still continue to do the easy things, keeping our distance from each other in public, masks, handwashing etc, these things don't cost really anything to do."

He added: "I think we need to get used to that and that will allow us to do the things we really want to do more easily and more readily."

Addressing infection rates as seen in his Zoe Covid Symptom Study UK Infection Survey, he said: "We're moving towards where rates are generally much lower everywhere, we're seeing about one in 170 people on average affected."

Asked at what level he would say it is sensible to start easing restrictions, he replied: "I think around one in 250 would be where I start to become more comfortable, but it also depends on the context at the time and things like hospitals and death rates as well, because I don't think we should be fixated on any one particular parameter, we've got to look at the overall picture.

how depressing

 

[Bry Nylon]

I reckon that assessment is at the more pessimistic / cautious end of the spectrum but given he’s a scientist I can understand why. At the same time I think those who seem to think the vaccine is a silver bullet are being incredibly naive and in for a big disappointment. Who knows when football will go back to full stadiums but I certainly don’t reckon it will before at least 18 months.

 

[sparkie]

Full houses is a big ask and someway off.

I hope for 2,000 fan ballots before the end of the season though.

 

[super-seagulls]

The Vaccine protects you

That is also discrimination on medical grounds, so unless they change the law it can’t happen.

I’m not sure many courts would want to touch that.

So what do you do with people who haven’t gotten any potential yearly jab?

Kids?

Medical grounds?

Religious?

Pregnant woman?

Gotten?

 

[nwgull]

Restrictions on large gatherings likely to be in place 'for next few years'
Tim Spector, professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College London, has warned that some changes to large gatherings are likely to be in place for "the next few years".

"I can't see us suddenly having another Cheltenham Festival with no regulations again," he said. "I can't see us having massive weddings with people coming from all over the world, I think for the next few years those days are gone.

"I think we should still continue to do the easy things, keeping our distance from each other in public, masks, handwashing etc, these things don't cost really anything to do."

He added: "I think we need to get used to that and that will allow us to do the things we really want to do more easily and more readily."

Addressing infection rates as seen in his Zoe Covid Symptom Study UK Infection Survey, he said: "We're moving towards where rates are generally much lower everywhere, we're seeing about one in 170 people on average affected."

Asked at what level he would say it is sensible to start easing restrictions, he replied: "I think around one in 250 would be where I start to become more comfortable, but it also depends on the context at the time and things like hospitals and death rates as well, because I don't think we should be fixated on any one particular parameter, we've got to look at the overall picture.

I can't see restrictions like this continuing for much longer after all adults in the UK have been fully (2 doses) vaccinated. There'll be a residual risk, but it's very low: 5% of catching it and then a very low risk of a vaccinated person who catches having to be hospitalised - and that doesn't even account for the fact that the vaccine has been shown to significantly hinder transmission. That's not going to put the NHS under any strain, and people will be prepared to accept the risk to be able to live their lives in the same way that we accept the risk that travelling in a car every day presents.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I can't see restrictions like this continuing for much longer after all adults in the UK have been fully (2 doses) vaccinated. There'll be a residual risk, but it's very low: 5% of catching it and then a very low risk of a vaccinated person who catches having to be hospitalised - and that doesn't even account for the fact that the vaccine has been shown to significantly hinder transmission. That's not going to put the NHS under any strain, and people will be prepared to accept the risk to be able to live their lives in the same way that we accept the risk that travelling in a car every day presents.

I think you are under estimating the fear out there still.

Large numbers are happy to stay locked up all year.

 

[RossyG]

Tim Spector can stick his doom mongering up his arse.

We’ve gone from flatten the curve to protect the elderly to protect the over-50s. Well, that’ll have happened by May/June. If I’m not back at the Amex with 30,000 others by late-August then I’ll be joining David Icke, Piers Corbyn, and Loony McLoonface at the next anti-Lockdown demo.

 

[Change at Barnham]

Peoples habits have changed and many people will be more selective in how they spend their leisure time.

Outdoor pursuits like walking and the use of private transport to visit places will take many people away from using public transport and attending mass gatherings.
I would guess that non-league football could well be chosen by a chunk of people that were previously happy to attend events with 30 000 people present.
And I doubt if the price of caravans and motorhomes will be reducing any time soon.

 

[RossyG]

My prediction is that within two months of normality all but a fringe group will have forgotten about lockdown.

That first train to Falmer will seem weird. Quite a few might balk at it, but in weeks it’ll be back to piling in as normal. And I mean proper normal, not “new normal”.

 

[Mellotron]

I always find these predictions off into the future a bit odd as they completely ignore the continued improvement of treatments and testing.

Sir Simon Smith of the NHS has stated that we are likely 6-12 months away from having readily available antibody treatments that have shown 100% effective at stopping severe disease from covid-19 in trials. In that instance, there would be zero reason whatsoever to have any restrictions at all.