[Football] When will the Premier League play in fromnt of full houses again?

[BNthree]

No full houses until 2022 at the earliest.

 

[LamieRobertson]

2 x 55 million vaccinations at 2 million a week will take over a year.

There is a possibility it won’t be two injections necessary

 

[Mellotron]

Early next season. Maybe not the start but pretty close to.

Vaccinations are accelerating at an impressive speed, and all noises suggest we should be able to hit 2m a week and hopefully go quite a way further in 2-3 months time.

 

[dazzer6666]

Start of next season IMO. Virtually everyone who needs to be will have been vaccinated by then and the hospitals will be largely free of Covid patients. Already been leaked today that we're looking at minimum 3.5m vaccinations per week as soon as supplies are up to it.

 

[Weststander]

2 x 55 million vaccinations at 2 million a week will take over a year.

At at yesterday evening, 2.6m vaccinated. News just released, now 3m. So 2.8m a week.

Except, by this time next week, 3.5m a week. So we’ll be done by the beginning of July even if later evidence ends up confirming that 2 doses each is advisable.



This is an amazing effort by everyone involved.

 

[pb21]

I wouldn't be surprised if 10% plus are back before the end of this season. Maybe 100% by this time next year, if not the start of next season...

 

[Giraffe]

1. start of next season?
2. january 1st 2022?
3. start of 22/23?


My guesses

1. 10%
2. 25%
3. 90%

I've added a poll with your options only for you so we can see whether we can get to 125%

 

[Poojah]

Do you really think the vaccinations will be the be all & end all? Do you really think we will be back to full capacity by August? I feel This will go on for years now. I really hope you are right though. I, personally just don't share your optimism

I can only form opinion from what those with expertise have to say - I have learned a lot about novel viruses over the course of the past year but I remain very much a layman.

The general consensus seems to be that we will never eradicate this virus; it will not be confined to some secure biolab in the way that smallpox has. It has different, more challenging characteristics in that sense, I presume. That we will be living with this virus for all eternity seems to be the common theme.

It seems increasingly clear than immunity, either through prior infection or vaccination, is not a life long get out of jail free card. However, it also seems clear that in the medium-term those things will prevent serious illness in most people and crucially significantly reduce (though perhaps not eradicate) transmission.

In a global community where, in time, most do not become ill and few are able to transmit, prevalence of the virus can and will only diminish. We simply need to get to a stage where the R value is fractional without the need to greatly limit social contact. Do I believe that the vaccines we have at our disposal will achieve that? Yes I do. And this is crucial.

Will there be flare ups over time? Probably. Will the general population need to keep on top of vaccinations on a routine basis? Also probably. There will be minor inconveniences that we did not have to endure before, but that is all. Ultimately, I do not see this so called ‘new normal’ persisting for much longer than a few months from now. There is far too much will behind the cause against it for that to happen. All in my opinion, of course.

 

[clapham_gull]

I wonder if we will asked to provide evidence we've been vaccinated before bveing allowed to buy a ticket

I don't think so because I expect will learn that whilst the virus protects YOU from getting ill, you may still be able to contract the virus and pass it on.

The only thing that would guarantee you are virus-free, would be a 100% accurate test, not a vaccine.

Beyond that, there are moral and legal arguments.

I'm very pro-lockdown and pro-state intervention in times of national crises, but we have to return to the freedoms we enjoyed at some point.

For that reason, I'm incredibly uncomfortable about any agency, private company, or even government asking for evidence that you have received a vaccine.

I also think it is wrong not accepting one.

 

[Weststander]

I can only form opinion from what those with expertise have to say - I have learned a lot about novel viruses over the course of the past year but I remain very much a layman.

The general consensus seems to be that we will never eradicate this virus; it will not be confined to some secure biolab in the way that smallpox has. It has different, more challenging characteristics in that sense, I presume. That we will be living with this virus for all eternity seems to be the common theme.

It seems increasingly clear than immunity, either through prior infection or vaccination, is not a life long get out of jail free card. However, it also seems clear that in the medium-term those things will prevent serious illness in most people and crucially significantly reduce (though perhaps not eradicate) transmission.

In a global community where, in time, most do not become ill and few are able to transmit, prevalence of the virus can and will only diminish. We simply need to get to a stage where the R value is fractional without the need to greatly limit social contact. Do I believe that the vaccines we have at our disposal will achieve that? Yes I do. And this is crucial.

Will there be flare ups over time? Probably. Will the general population need to keep on top of vaccinations on a routine basis? Also probably. There will be minor inconveniences that we did not have to endure before, but that is all. But absolutely, I do not see this so called ‘new normal’ persisting for much longer than a few months from now. There is far too much will behind the cause against it for that to happen. All in my opinion, of course.

Have you followed the Q&A’s and also the work of people such as Dr Chris Smith and Prof Heneghan. They’ve calmly explain that Coronavirus and its many future variants will be managed in exactly the same way as all other dangerous viruses. It’s no different, it’s certainly no more dangerous. The scientific community are used to this. After the short term, life should return to normal. But I would imagine that many people and businesses might take more care on hygiene, for what it’s worth, and as in the Far East a few folk might routinely wear facemasks.

 

[Eeyore]

I virtually never start threads, so please be gentle with me.



Had a heated disagreement with my son today over when we can expect full houses at football again

So what chance do you think premier league football will be played in front of packed crowd again at this dates

1. start of next season?
2. january 1st 2022?
3. start of 22/23?


My guesses

1. 10%
2. 25%
3. 90%

My guess is that you didn't pay much attention in your Maths lessons.

 

[dazzer6666]

I don't think so because I expect will learn that whilst the virus protects YOU from getting ill, you may still be able to contract the virus and pass it on.

The only thing that would guarantee you are virus-free, would be a 100% accurate test, not a vaccine.

Beyond that, there are moral and legal arguments.

I'm very pro-lockdown and pro-state intervention in times of national crises, but we have to return to the freedoms we enjoyed at some point.

For that reason, I'm incredibly uncomfortable about any agency, private company, or even government asking for evidence that you have received a vaccine.

I also think it is wrong not accepting one.

Once ‘everyone’ has been vaccinated (obviously means anti-vaxxers etc have declined) there won’t be any need for a certificate because by definition we’ll have herd immunity. The morons refusing it won’t be a high enough number to cause a problem.

 

[The Camel]

My guess is that you didn't pay much attention in your Maths lessons.

If there are full houses at the start of next season, I'm going to say it's nearly 100% there will still be full houses on the other two dates, so adding them up is pointless.

 

[Poojah]

Have you followed the Q&A’s and also the work of people such as Dr Chris Smith and Prof Heneghan. They’ve calmly explain that Coronavirus and its many future variants will be managed in exactly the same way as all other dangerous viruses. It’s no different, it’s certainly no more dangerous. The scientific community are used to this. After the short term, life should return to normal. But I would imagine that many people and businesses might take more care on hygiene, for what it’s worth, and as in the Far East a few folk might routinely wear facemasks.

I hadn’t but I’ve just read this:

https://www.theguardian.com/science...d-mutations-could-require-vaccine-cooperation

In a nutshell, adapting vaccines to cater for mutations will be handled as it is for flu. Covid is not a particularly fast mutating virus, it’s merely problematic right now because it’s so incredibly prevalent. Suppression through immunity and a substantial reduction in transmissibility will drastically resolve that problem.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

At at yesterday evening, 2.6m vaccinated. News just released, now 3m. So 2.8m a week.

Except, by this time next week, 3.5m a week. So we’ll be done by the beginning of July even if later evidence ends up confirming that 2 doses each is advisable.

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This is an amazing effort by everyone involved.

As I understand it, the vaccines being counted are for each jab, not for people. So, it’s two vaccines per person not two people who have been vaccinated. Similar to a pair of gloves counting as two items of PPE.

 

[Weststander]

As I understand it, the vaccines being counted are for each jab, not for people. So, it’s two vaccines per person not two people who have been vaccinated. Similar to a pair of gloves counting as two items of PPE.

This was posted by [MENTION=27279]dazzer6666[/MENTION] on the good news thread. As at yesterday, £2.92m individuals had been vaccinated.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This was posted by [MENTION=27279]dazzer6666[/MENTION] on the good news thread. As at yesterday, £2.92m individuals had been vaccinated.

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There is a very good reason that two vaccinations are needed for it to be fully effective.

 

[Weststander]

There is a very good reason that two vaccinations are needed for it to be fully effective.

The apolitical JCVI advising all on this say it’s more important to get the first dose to the vulnerable first. As have the 4 independent CMO’s of each nation.

When resources of doses and people to vaccinate are limited, then vaccinating more people with potentially less efficacy is demonstrably better than a fuller efficacy in only half.

In an imperfect world with limited supplies, there are always going to be competing arguments. Some columnists have argued that bus drivers and shop workers should have the vaccine before the elderly.

The programme is exceeding all expectations, hopefully second doses can be followed up within the meaningful period. For the far easier to deliver Astrazeneca vaccine, the timeframe is up to 12 weeks from dose one.

 

[e77]

I think people might be surprised how quick things open up once the experts are happy with vaccination coverage. I said start of next season which might be a bit optimistic but I think it will be the first couple of months of the season.

 

[crodonilson]

The government will quite rightly proceed very cautiously in lifting restrictions. Even if much of the adult population is immunised by late summer many will likely only have received their first jabs and there is still so much unknown about the ability to virus. Chris Whitty has already said he thinks restrictions will be needed next winter and looking back now restrictions were far too loose last summer. I'd like to think by the beginning of next season it'll be something like 20% capacity and with the relative success of that if there are no flare ups through the autumn we could be at something like 50% by next Spring.