When will it time to start worrying about Russia?

[Soulman]

Many have questioned the yanks and had major doubts about them....Putin couldn't have put that better and it's clear he knows a lot more than we think.
It's no wonder the yanks are getting twitchy at every angle and using the media to make Russia look bad....Time will come soon when the yanks will be sussed as they're ridiculously power hungry and the problems caused throughout the world land on their doorstep.

Like I said before....If we want a more peaceful planet then Putin is the man to follow not Obama.

I tend to agree.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

i think Putin's action against ISIS is a good thing.

I think Putin's action against Isis is convenient cover to mainly bomb the other rebel groups who are threatening the Assad regime, a long standing Russian Ally. Listening to the man who probably sanctioned the murder of a dissident in London using radioactive poisoning lecture anyone else about immoral actions is mildly ironic.

 

[sir albion]

I think Putin's action against Isis is convenient cover to mainly bomb the other rebel groups who are threatening the Assad regime, a long standing Russian Ally. Listening to the man who probably sanctioned the murder of a dissident in London using radioactive poisoning lecture anyone else about immoral actions is mildly ironic.

Another conspiracy theory....You just keep battering Putin yeah.
I suggest you open your eyes to what is going on around the world....Pointless wars that are based upon financial game mostly...What a wonderful planet we live on and how many died throughout these invasions?
Then you get yourself presuming Putin sanctioned this murder in London...maybe he did,but Putin hasn't caused 10'000's of deaths recently has he?

 

[Triggaaar]

Many have questioned the yanks and had major doubts about them....Putin couldn't have put that better and it's clear he knows a lot more than we think.
It's no wonder the yanks are getting twitchy at every angle and using the media to make Russia look bad....Time will come soon when the yanks will be sussed as they're ridiculously power hungry and the problems caused throughout the world land on their doorstep.

Like I said before....If we want a more peaceful planet then Putin is the man to follow not Obama.

The US interest in the middle east are of course influenced by oil, selling weapons, supporting leaders that would support the US etc. As we once supported Iraq, we then fought them, we support rebels that we now fight. It's far from ideal and it's not from a moral high-ground. But Russia is worse. Russia too support middle-eastern leaders that support them, but for Russia, their allies can do no wrong. The west supported Gadaffi, but that stopped when he started killing his own people. Russia support Assad, and when he murders thousands of his own people, Russia join in to keep him in power.

And this is the Russia that invaded the Ukraine. The US of course are far from perfect, but they're a democratic nation that has no interest in extending its borders, while Putin is a dictator who murders politicians who stand against him and would overthrow all former Soviet territory if he could.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Another conspiracy theory....You just keep battering Putin yeah.
I suggest you open your eyes to what is going on around the world....Pointless wars that are based upon financial game mostly...What a wonderful planet we live on and how many died throughout these invasions?
Then you get yourself presuming Putin sanctioned this murder in London...maybe he did,but Putin hasn't caused 10'000's of deaths recently has he?

Not a conspiracy theory just a reasonable assumption based on what I have read and seen about the groups who are mainly being bombed by Russia in Syria. Are you disputing Syria and Russia have been long term Allies ? Russia is no stranger to acting in it's self interest militarily as recent actions in the Crimea and Ukraine show. Thousands dead yes.

It can be argued that the US /West have engaged in dubious foreign wars in recent years but that shouldn't mean ignoring the blatant hypocrisy of someone like Putin considering his record.

 

[Czechmate]

Erhh ? They extend their borders by putting men in charge of countries that agree with the US , they have army bases in about 150 plus countries at present . Nato are trying to extend their borders , which in reality is the US in control with US supporting countries .

Who is in charge of Afghanistan , oh yes an ex US college guy and an ex member of the International bank . The US won't be happy till every country is ruined by Apple shops , Macdonalds and Starbucks . Did the US not support the Khmer Rouge at the beginning and looked what happened there , they don't really have much success behind their objectives . At least Russia tell you how it is and none of this bullshit .

 

[Czechmate]

I think Putin's action against Isis is convenient cover to mainly bomb the other rebel groups who are threatening the Assad regime, a long standing Russian Ally. Listening to the man who probably sanctioned the murder of a dissident in London using radioactive poisoning lecture anyone else about immoral actions is mildly ironic.

He was a spy , do you think spies should live in peace if they stitch up their country ? (if it was Putin that sanctioned it) , it goes with the job unfortunately . I am sure if the US could of got hold of Snowden before he squealed the same thing might of happened .

 

[Triggaaar]

At least Russia tell you how it is and none of this bullshit .

They tell you how it is, like they pretend it's rebels that were fighting the Ukraine, not Russia?

 

[beorhthelm]

Like I said before....If we want a more peaceful planet then Putin is the man to follow not Obama.

yeah, sure the Ukrainians and Chechnyains would agree. or the gays or any political opponents in Russia, they live in a lovely peace the only reason the Russians dont get involved in more overseas conflict is they dont have the military forces to do so.

 

[symyjym]

The US interest in the middle east are of course influenced by oil, selling weapons, supporting leaders that would support the US etc. As we once supported Iraq, we then fought them, we support rebels that we now fight. It's far from ideal and it's not from a moral high-ground. But Russia is worse. Russia too support middle-eastern leaders that support them, but for Russia, their allies can do no wrong. The west supported Gadaffi, but that stopped when he started killing his own people. Russia support Assad, and when he murders thousands of his own people, Russia join in to keep him in power.

And this is the Russia that invaded the Ukraine. The US of course are far from perfect, but they're a democratic nation that has no interest in extending its borders, while Putin is a dictator who murders politicians who stand against him and would overthrow all former Soviet territory if he could.

Assad hasn't murdered thousands of his own people. He targets areas where attacks are launched against him. Unfortunately the rebels, who are supplied by the US and via Saudi and Turkey are always embedded in populated areas. Out of the 250,000 deaths in Syria, about 90,000 has been from Assad's military.

He is more justified in his actions than Bush & Blair was in Iraq that directly caused at least half a million deaths. Obviously this is labeled on our terms as collateral damage rather than slaughtering.

You cannot tell me that Assad is more evil than Bush or Blair.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

He was a spy , do you think spies should live in peace if they stitch up their country ? (if it was Putin that sanctioned it) , it goes with the job unfortunately . I am sure if the US could of got hold of Snowden before he squealed the same thing might of happened .

To be clear are you trying to justify state assassination ?

Out of interest was the Soviet Invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 a good or a bad thing ?

 

[Czechmate]

They tell you how it is, like they pretend it's rebels that were fighting the Ukraine, not Russia?

I don't disagree with you there , but the Kiev government should still not discriminately bomb the area's which still has many local people living there . Still I hope it this is one area where things are getting better , fingers crossed.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

This is quite interesting - Putin's take on ISIS

'Russia Today' ie 'Putin Today'

Predictable and dangerous information warfare.

 

[Czechmate]

To be clear are you trying to justify state assassination ?

Out of interest was the Soviet Invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 a good or a bad thing ?

No , I don't justify state assassinations (if it was) but getting into international spying brings so many risks , whether in recent times or in the past .

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

They tell you how it is, like they pretend it's rebels that were fighting the Ukraine, not Russia?

Wait until the report on the russian military shooting down the airliner comes out. Putin / RT have tried faking the evidence, but made a hash of that.

 

[Czechmate]

I think you will find an interview with CNN where he said similar things . Can't be assed to look it up at present though .

 

[Triggaaar]

He is more justified in his actions than Bush & Blair was in Iraq

But most of us agree that Bush and Blair's actions were not justified, so using that as your base is not a good start. And I don't see many of use saying the deaths involved were collateral damage.

You cannot tell me that Assad is more evil than Bush or Blair.

I think Blair and Bush should face trial for war crimes, so again, not a great comparison.

 

[matthew]

'Russia Today' ie 'Putin Today'

Predictable and dangerous information warfare.

And the BBC is British state TV - probably find they're more similar than we would like to believe.

 

[Triggaaar]

And the BBC is British state TV - probably find they're more similar than we would like to believe.

Do you think they're very similar?

 

[Czechmate]

Sorry forgot your second comment :

I must admit I don't agree with any invasion whether by the west or east , circumstances are different every time . Not sure about 1968 though don't know enough about it , still have some communist ways though , like cheap affordable and free housing blocks on the edge of cities , cheap tram fares into the city centres for work and cheap food and drink , enjoyed my time out there for work for 2 years . The democratically elected government even now has strong respect for Putin and not so much for the US who decided to drive tanks through Europe from Poland a few months back , what the f--k was that all about ?

In reply to your question JC FOOTIE GENIUS