Well Done UKIP.

[User removed 4]

I was born and brought up in Chelmsford, it is a very old town, but i take your point that the Chelmsford i knew has expanded so so much. The villages around like Broomfield, Boreham, Hatfield Peverel etc have just become part of Chelmsford.
Chelmsford was changing in the late 70's, the Londoners were moving out in droves.

My ex wife came from Hatfield peverel so I know it quite well , there is still about six miles of countryside in between it and Chelmsford, so I wouldn't go that far.

 

[Guinness Boy]

1: Given that many jobs in the NHS and education service are undertaken by migrants I would say no. The main reason for the struggles of the health service are caused by:
(a) An increase in the numbers of elderly patients, which far outstrips the increase in migration
(b) The costs of servicing PFI agreements, loved by both Labour and the Con-Lib coalition, which are exhorbitant and don't deliver an improvement in the quality of services.
(c) Medical advances that have increased in price at a faster rate than general inflation.

In relation to jobs, employment is at an all time high. Talk to employers and they would rather employ indigenous people. The jobs 'taken' by migrants tend to be either because the supply side of the labour market has failed to deliver in terms of quantity (e.g Doctors) or quality (e.g many areas of construction). In addition many migrants are taking jobs in areas where the local market isn't willing to deliver the nature of the job for the minimum wage on offer (e.g picking fruit and veg, retail, hotels etc.)

Exactly. Well said.

I would add this. If you want an end to immigration - or even far greater controls - ask yourself this. Are you prepared to work in fields picking fruit and veg, or serving coffee or cleaning toilets or bed pans in hospitals or as a bar worker or commis chef in a big hotel for minimum wage? If not do you know a lot of white English people who are? And if you don't know them are you prepared to get rid of a free NHS or pay far more for your supermarket shop and morning coffee? Be careful what you wish for......

 

[piersa]

Why would I have a 'chip' on my shoulders exactly?
I would have thought ANYBODY calling themselves Das Reich has a chip, or is it shit on their shoulders?

You do often get quite angry and unreasonable. Just saying.

 

[Leighgull]

There is really no point in explaining to some people what proper Multiculturism is. They just don't get, they will never get it. I was born and raised in Sussex. I'm back living in Sussex again but spent about 10 years in Luton on and off. Luton is like some areas of London. Yes it was an experience, and honestly It's not something I want repeating down here.

People need to stop comparing Brits going to Spain because the situation is completely different, in fact it is on the other end of the scale. Brits are not going to Spain and pushing another religion on them, and that is the biggest difference here.

I agree. I spent a year in Houghton Regis for work...the whole of Luton is like a Muslim enclave and the friction is palpable. The notion of multicural tolerance is completely ludicrous when you've lived somewhere like that.

Ironically there is now more tension between the mainly Pakistani populace and the new migrants from the Eastern European accessioners as the like of alcohol in those groups is rubbing the Muslims up the wrong way as is the increased completion for housing and work.

The indigenous people, mainly, want out of the place altogether.

 

[User removed 4]

I was born and brought up in Essex, left at the age of 21. Even back then Londoners and especially East Londoners were moving out of London, they felt it was no longer the London that they were born and brought up in.
Who would have envisage after the blitz etc that The East End would have the street names like Brick Lane in English with Arabic written underneath.
As for Tower Hamlets....let's not go there....literally.

Tower hamlets ? Here's a few little snippets to show what's going on there , tosspots like beach hut who've never lived in an area like it don't know their born , let's be honest , all they are doing is recreating Bangladesh but with the added benefits of the welfare state and council housing, this is the shape of things to come despite tossers on here burying their heads in the sand , because they live in leafy hove, or chandlers ford, or in some cases even further afield.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/a...ets-electoral-fraud-heres-some-more-evidence/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ets-still-counting-ballot-papers-9434558.html
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/a...tfur-rahmans-muslim-favouritism-the-evidence/

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100272429/lutfur-rahman-what-you-should-know/

I don't expect any of the usual suspects to comment.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I would add this. If you want an end to immigration - or even far greater controls - ask yourself this. Are you prepared to work in fields picking fruit and veg ( done it ) , or serving coffee ( done it ) or cleaning toilets ( done it ) or bed pans in hospitals or as a bar worker ( done it ) or commis chef ( done it ) in a big hotel for minimum wage? If not do you know a lot of white English people who are? And if you don't know them are you prepared to get rid of a free NHS or pay far more for your supermarket shop and morning coffee? Be careful what you wish for......

And currently I would do any of them but apparently I'm "too qualified" ! It really is wrong to suggest these jobs wouldn't be taken up by British people.

 

[Guinness Boy]

And currently I would do any of them but apparently I'm "too qualified" ! It really is wrong to suggest these jobs wouldn't be taken up by British people.

For minimum wage?

Even then let's say the answer's yes then all we need is a few hundred thousand like you and we're sorted. Your post is based on your own experience and you expect everyone else will do the same. That's not a fact. That's called conjecture. Again.

As a counter to that I know several people who employ in the hospitality industry who say the exact opposite. Who's conjecture wins?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

For minimum wage?

Even then let's say the answer's yes then all we need is a few hundred thousand like you and we're sorted. Your post is based on your own experience and you expect everyone else will do the same. That's not a fact. That's called conjecture. Again.

As a counter to that I know several people who employ in the hospitality industry who say the exact opposite. Who's conjecture wins?

Yep - it's a damn site more than JSA ! Care to give me the contact details of the people you know - I'd happily do some shifts for them. I struggle to believe I'm the only British person that would do so but as you say it is conjecture.

 

[daveinprague]

You do often get quite angry and unreasonable. Just saying.

Ive never been angry on NSC...ever...its a forum....Ive laughed a lot though.

 

[piersa]

For minimum wage?

Even then let's say the answer's yes then all we need is a few hundred thousand like you and we're sorted. Your post is based on your own experience and you expect everyone else will do the same. That's not a fact. That's called conjecture. Again.

As a counter to that I know several people who employ in the hospitality industry who say the exact opposite. Who's conjecture wins?

Surely it would make sense for anyone coming here to have a job confirmed before their arrival. Do not let anyone in who has not, except students and family members whose partners have worked and paid their taxes for a finite period. That would surely help our welfare state and control inward migration. We could probably fill the minimum wage jobs that you allege the indigenous population will not do .

 

[Guinness Boy]

Yep - it's a damn site more than JSA ! Care to give me the contact details of the people you know - I'd happily do some shifts for them. I struggle to believe I'm the only British person that would do so but as you say it is conjecture.

One runs a bar in town and another a cafe. The latter will just be getting busy. He's a dad at my son's school and I'll see him tomorrow and see if he's happy to pass on details. PM you if he is.

 

[BadFish]

I struggle with the idea that because there see problems in some areas it somehow means that multiculturalism can never work.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

One runs a bar in town and another a cafe. The latter will just be getting busy. He's a dad at my son's school and I'll see him tomorrow and see if he's happy to pass on details. PM you if he is.

Thank you

Just looked at your location - I'm seriously hoping the "in town" doesn't mean Swindon !!!!

 

[Guinness Boy]

Thank you

Just looked at your location - I'm seriously hoping the "in town" doesn't mean Swindon !!!!

Cafe's in Hove actually - the location on my profile refers to one of my legendary trips home from an evening away match.....

 

[Buzzer]

As 27.5% of the vote does not represent a clear or vast majority, this means it that 72.5% of the voters have voted to remain in the EU and to continue with current levels of immigration.

Absolutely untrue. It's impossible to infer that from the figures for lots of reasons. Firstly, 24% voted Tory and a large proportion of them are deeply euro-sceptic. There also exists within the Labour movement, especially to the left of the party, sceptics who want us out of the EU. Bob Crow was a great example of this. Secondly, you are linking immigration and membership of the EU. The two are connected but neither necessarily implies the other. Not voting UKIP doesn't imply acceptance of current immigration levels any more than it implies favouring joining the Euro.

 

[Czechmate]

UKIP have certainly made their point and stuck two fingers up to the traditional parties (they must be applauded for this if nothing else). The question of them being successful or not really depends on what they do with their gains and if they can make take the next step to actually deliver that which those who voted for them are after.

Enjoy your bank holiday

I agree with you , to be fair unless they make their manifesto clear and decide what they will be aiming for then I will go back to one of the mainstream parties which is what I intended to do , but they have got a year so will see what happens . My vote was a protest vote to make the other parties sit up and take note about the EU , I hope they do not make the mistake and sweep it under the carpet , because then I will vote UKIP again .

Thanks I did except the British weather , sure it was warm where you were

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I agree. I spent a year in Houghton Regis for work...the whole of Luton is like a Muslim enclave and the friction is palpable. The notion of multicural tolerance is completely ludicrous when you've lived somewhere like that.

Ironically there is now more tension between the mainly Pakistani populace and the new migrants from the Eastern European accessioners as the like of alcohol in those groups is rubbing the Muslims up the wrong way as is the increased completion for housing and work.

The indigenous people, mainly, want out of the place altogether.

I'm glad somebody can see it from my perspective. I learned quite a bit from my experience up there, and I conclude I would not be comfortable with this form multiculturism appearing across other towns and citites in this country, because I just cannot see it working.

When the requirements of that religion seem to have become so strict, it's really hard for that to integrate with western values. I did also notice a slow change in the way women dressed, with more and more adopting the full face and body covering over the years.

And your right about those tensions. I certainly didn't feel comfortable where I was living anymore. When we finally managed to sell our house I couldn't get out of the place quick enough.

The politicians like to paint us all a lovely picture, and then label anyone who sees this differnetly. I know what I saw, they just don't have the experience of living in these places. We are not just dealing with religion, we are also dealing with the politics of it too. But we point to an even bigger problems, when people get elected they then change their community to suit their own religion.

 

[Czechmate]

If Putin carries on and has his way, you probably soon will be (or your birthplace will be, anyway)

Yeh sorry , I should of explained I worked in the Czech Republic for a year and a half but now back in the UK where I was born , I may need to work in the Czech Republic again so left my username the same for now.

I don't think Putin is as bad as people think , he is just looking after Russians interests , I think he will try and keep Crimea and may argue about East Ukraine but that is about it in my opinion , he knows the value of keeping friendly with Europe . I guess this is for another thread though.

 

[Czechmate]

Think Czechmate is British... for Putin to get to CZ, he would have to make war with NATO.....Its probably not worth it.

Correct Dave , back in UK now but may live in Czech Republic again soon depending on work . Agree about Putin .

 

[Buzzer]

I don't think Putin is as bad as people think , he is just looking after Russians interests ,

I agree and disagree. Definitely looking out for Russia's interests and definitely as bad as Prince Charles suggests. He's been directly linked to the death of Alexander Litvinenko, lied about Russian special forces pretending to be locals in Ukraine, directly linked to the death of Anna Politkovskaya and other anti-establishment journalists. In the 90s a commission found him guilty of conspiring with other ex-communists and KGB agents of diverting billions of pounds abroad. The Germans also implicated him in money-laundering and his attitude to democracy in Russia is certainly fluid. He's happy for political opponents to be arrested and jailed. And then there's his views on homosexuality that have been made law.

Sorry matey, but I understand what you say when you say you distrust the Americans but given a choice between allying myself with a truly democratic country (despite all its faults) or a quasi-dictatorship of the type that Putin leads, I'd go with America every time.