Welcoming refugees. Well done Brits!

[The Clamp]

I have not seen anyone refuse to condemn people smugglers, either on NSC, in the press or media. You are absolutely right, people are too full of an agenda, hence idiots think a solution is to stop the RNLI launching a boat. This example of political hate is fueled by ignorance, fueled by blame being put on the migrants, not the smugglers facilitating the crossings, or deadly container travel.

Nobody has refused to condemn them. It’s a cheap way for some posters to try and start an argument. Ignore him. He has nothing meaningful to add to this discussion. He’s just attention seeking.

The sort of thing I thought was being clamped down on by the mods. Accusing people of condoning criminals etc. Ho hum.

 

[nicko31]

The sort of political hate whereby they would knowingly vote (twice) to get rid of the UK's seat on the management board for Europol - the European Union Agency for Law Enforcement Cooperation, and stopping British Police officers getting access to the Europol database, the biggest single source of information for the UK’s and EU's efforts to dismantle immigrant smuggling networks ?

The sort of political hate that would get rid of the much maligned Dublin regulations and destroy international relations and co-operation with the countries across the channel in order to 'be a winner' ?

The sort of political hate that would elect a Government that would close down the official resettlement routes for refugees such as the Syrian Scheme and the the Dubs scheme and fail to put anything in place for Afghanistan ? In the last 18 months, the largest number of refugees crossing the channel by Nationality were Iranian 3,187. The number let in through the official channels ? 1

All resulting in a tripling (and still increasing) of numbers since these measures that you campaigned and voted for, took place 11 months ago.

I would think that people so driven by their political agenda that they keep knowingly voting for this, again and again are in your words, the very definition of 'complicit in the deaths and have blood on their hands.'

I'm afraid when you engage on populism that's what you get. Three word slogans are no solutions to complex issues.

Hard to believe just over a decade ago we had the Lancaster House treaties. We've fallen so far, so fast...

 

[Lever]

Under the Vote Leave government our relationship with the French is the worse since Waterloo, it was avoidable but a political choice has been made.

There's a huge issue with trust now, the lies and law breaking sadly are now taking their toll.

Part of the problem in my view is that this Brexit Government needs to have an antagonistic relationship with the French (and EU countries generally); it's vital to prevent their rapidly diminishing popularity... and the consequent breakdown of trust causes further endangerment to channel crossing migrants; it is a full agenda of hate-stirring, careless of human safety.

 

[nicko31]

Part of the problem in my view is that this Brexit Government needs to have an antagonistic relationship with French (and EU countries generally); it's vital to their rapidly diminishing popularity... and the consequent breakdown of trust causes further endangerment to channel crossing migrants; that is a full agenda of hate stirring!

Sadly I think you are right, global Britain isn't working out as planned as the only solution is to have a self destructive relationship with Europe in the hope it solidifies the Tory base

Its very bad for us and bad for Europe. All this just when Russia is becoming more of problem for all of us

 

[Lever]

Sadly I think you are right, global Britain isn't working out as planned as the only solution is to have a self destructive relationship with Europe in the hope it solidifies the Tory base

Its very bad for us and bad for Europe. All this just when Russia is becoming more of problem for all of us

....and still there are some who are in denial about the mendacity of this Government and try to scapegoat everything and everyone else for the unfolding crises........

"You can ignore reality but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality" Ayn Rand

 

[nicko31]

Of course there are some in France that want Le Touquet treaty binned, ie UK border moved back to Dover from Calais and vice-versa. Then the fun really would be begin

 

[The Clamp]

well the thing with all information, especially the internet, is that the source is vital to the meaning of the information. i think to myself, who is telling me this and why? who is trying to manipulate me and to what end? by so doing i can avoid being mugged off by someone who has not got my best interests at heart. i have watched a reasonable sample of your vids and have found them to be unbalanced (as you have stated). i'm listening to radio 4 right now, watch ch4 news, and occasionaly read the times. this means i'm quite well genned up on current affairs and find gbnews simply to be opinion, devoid of facts. as for alex bellfield, jesus wept, a sad, lonely, paranoid individual, rambling on about perceived injustices (in his mind), clearly a wrong'un.
you appear to be scared of reality, you need to get out there and embrace life, you spend way too much time trawling for nonsense on the internet, please tell me what positivity you get from posting this stuff? why do you think you get banned so often?

Superb post.

 

[pastafarian]

The sort of political hate whereby they would knowingly vote (twice) to get rid of the UK's seat on the management board for Europol - the European Union Agency for Law Enforcement Cooperation, and stopping British Police officers getting access to the Europol database, the biggest single source of information for the UK’s and EU's efforts to dismantle immigrant smuggling networks ?

The sort of political hate that would get rid of the much maligned Dublin regulations and destroy international relations and co-operation with the countries across the channel in order to 'be a winner' ?

The sort of political hate that would elect a Government that would close down the official resettlement routes for refugees such as the Syrian Scheme and the the Dubs scheme and fail to put anything in place for Afghanistan ? In the last 18 months, the largest number of refugees crossing the channel by Nationality were Iranian 3,187. The number let in through the official channels ? 1

All resulting in a tripling (and still increasing) of numbers since these measures that you campaigned and voted for, took place 11 months ago.

I would think that people so driven by their political agenda that they keep knowingly voting for this, again and again are in your words, the very definition of 'complicit in the deaths and have blood on their hands.'

The topic I was typing about was criminal activity on French territory. I don’t get to vote on an activity that French law enforcement can stamp down on without the need of any input from me.

It’s very interesting isn’t it. Genuinely. They’re wasn’t this level of outrage at people smugglers when the main routes in were in trucks and lorries. In fact it was rarely mentioned.

What is it then about them crossing the channel that so upsets some on here? Visibility? The perception that they are “invading” our shores?
“Churchill didn’t beat back the Hun for you to just swan over here in a dinghy”?

Is it because it painfully illustrates a huge flaw in their idea of Brexit, of what they were promised and what they thought they were voting for?

Is it an old fashioned suspicion of the onion-chompers?

Because no matter how long their posts or how enervated they get, I do not believe for one second it’s out of concern for the safety of the migrants nor for any particular worry about the activities of people smugglers. Most of them don’t even seem to know how the people smuggling gangs operate.

It’s also a very convenient stick to beat anyone with a different opinion; “you condone people smuggling, urrrgh you’re disgusting, shame shame”!

Oh do grow up, you’re fooling nobody.

I recall a large number of people being horrified when 40 trafficked people were found dead in the back of that lorry in Essex.
I recall many people being disgusted at the people smuggling going on at Calais exit points which resulted in millions being invested in securing the lorry parks and access to freight. And that being successful to the degree it made the smugglers focus on other avenues of smuggling.

I have not seen anyone refuse to condemn people smugglers, either on NSC, in the press or media. You are absolutely right, people are too full of an agenda, hence idiots think a solution is to stop the RNLI launching a boat. This example of political hate is fueled by ignorance, fueled by blame being put on the migrants, not the smugglers facilitating the crossings, or deadly container travel.

I have never seen it on NSC or the press or mainstream media either, but there again I never said I did.
The cesspit of the wider social media is a different ball game though, all sorts of tomfoolery on there……..which of course should be ignored as laughable…….but some people are sucked into the twattishness of things like twitter and facebook on stuff like people trafficking

Nobody has refused to condemn them. It’s a cheap way for some posters to try and start an argument. Ignore him. He has nothing meaningful to add to this discussion. He’s just attention seeking.

The sort of thing I thought was being clamped down on by the mods. Accusing people of condoning criminals etc. Ho hum.

My post didnt accuse anybody on here, feel free to continue accusing me of accusing and accusing me of being an attention seeker and having nothing meaningful to input, will you be self reporting yourself to the mods for punishment for accusing?

 

[The Clamp]

The topic I was typing about was criminal activity on French territory. I don’t get to vote on an activity that French law enforcement can stamp down on without the need of any input from me.




I recall a large number of people being horrified when 40 trafficked people were found dead in the back of that lorry in Essex.
I recall many people being disgusted at the people smuggling going on at Calais exit points which resulted in millions being invested in securing the lorry parks and access to freight. And that being successful to the degree it made the smugglers focus on other avenues of smuggling.



I have never seen it on NSC or the press or mainstream media either, but there again I never said I did.
The cesspit of the wider social media is a different ball game though, all sorts of tomfoolery on there……..which of course should be ignored as laughable…….but some people are sucked into the twattishness of things like twitter and facebook on stuff like people trafficking





My post didnt accuse anybody on here, feel free to continue accusing me of accusing and accusing me of being an attention seeker and having nothing meaningful to input, will you be self reporting yourself to the mods for punishment for accusing?

 

[pastafarian]

Thats how i often feel when im reading some of the drivel on here.

 

[Lever]

Alan Manning (Professor of Economics at LSE) believes the only way to substantially reduce the number of migrants crossing the Channel is through an agreement with France. If we are to reach such an agreement 'in good faith' then I think we must ditch this untrustworthy government.......

'The only way to substantially reduce the numbers crossing the Channel is through an agreement with France. That is the lesson from previous episodes of unauthorised sea crossings. What agreement would effectively reduce the number of crossings?

Expanded safe and legal routes would be part of the agreement. There might be a cap on numbers, and priority given to those who have more links to the UK. But the UK would probably have to agree to take more refugees on these schemes than are currently crossing. However, it is likely that there would be some who would like to come to the UK who would not be admitted under these schemes. For this group, the incentive to cross the Channel would remain.

The way to make sure they do not attempt dangerous Channel crossings is if, on making it to the UK, they cannot stay. Returns to France would need to be part of the agreement (together with assurances about how they will be treated in France). France would need to be offered something in return for its agreement. Money is unlikely to be enough alone; but the expanded safe and legal routes from France is something the UK could offer.

An agreement like this offers something for everyone to like and loathe. It offers more safe and legal routes but with a returns policy and a limit on numbers many will dislike. For the government, it offers the prospect of reducing crossings, but accepting more asylum seekers from Europe, something unpopular with many of their supporters. But any solution needs more realism and compromise than our current polarised discussion allows. And the events of this week show it is needed quickly'.

 

[WATFORD zero]

The topic I was typing about was criminal activity on French territory. I don’t get to vote on an activity that French law enforcement can stamp down on without the need of any input from me.

No you weren't, you were simply doing the same nightshift trolling that you always have, when the porn and puff gets boring.

Now I'm sure it does get very lonely night after night, and you have my sympathy for that, but I'm afraid you're not getting any more attention from me tonight as I have other things to do

 

[beorhthelm]

...The way to make sure they do not attempt dangerous Channel crossings is if, on making it to the UK, they cannot stay. Returns to France would need to be part of the agreement (together with assurances about how they will be treated in France). France would need to be offered something in return for its agreement. Money is unlikely to be enough alone; but the expanded safe and legal routes from France is something the UK could offer.

the suggestion falls down because there are few grounds to make people return to France, and no way to make them stay there, short of imprisonment. whatever terminology people want to use, every single person who risks a channel crossing want to end up in the UK. the only way to stop crossings is blanket acceptance of anyone who want to enter. lets be honest, its not necessarily traditional Tories the current policy is popular with, which is why they have adopted it.

 

[pastafarian]

No you weren't, you were simply doing the same nightshift trolling that you always have, when the porn and puff gets boring.

Now I'm sure it does get very lonely night after night, and you have my sympathy for that, but I'm afraid you're not getting any more attention from me tonight as I have other things to do

Off you go then. Apologies for mostly being too busy at work during the day to post on here.

 

[Lever]

the suggestion falls down because there are few grounds to make people return to France, and no way to make them stay there, short of imprisonment. whatever terminology people want to use, every single person who risks a channel crossing want to end up in the UK. the only way to stop crossings is blanket acceptance of anyone who want to enter. lets be honest, its not necessarily traditional Tories the current policy is popular with, which is why they have adopted it.

You know that, do you? Evidence?

Would you describe the present government as 'traditional tory'?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

well the thing with all information, especially the internet, is that the source is vital to the meaning of the information. i think to myself, who is telling me this and why? who is trying to manipulate me and to what end? by so doing i can avoid being mugged off by someone who has not got my best interests at heart. i have watched a reasonable sample of your vids and have found them to be unbalanced (as you have stated). i'm listening to radio 4 right now, watch ch4 news, and occasionaly read the times. this means i'm quite well genned up on current affairs and find gbnews simply to be opinion, devoid of facts. as for alex bellfield, jesus wept, a sad, lonely, paranoid individual, rambling on about perceived injustices (in his mind), clearly a wrong'un.
you appear to be scared of reality, you need to get out there and embrace life, you spend way too much time trawling for nonsense on the internet, please tell me what positivity you get from posting this stuff? why do you think you get banned so often?

Thanks for taking your time with that response

Regards
DF

 

[beorhthelm]

[/B]

You know that, do you? Evidence?

Would you describe the present government as 'traditional tory'?

for evidence i'd point to the last few elections, and as far back as Gillian Duffy. no the current government is not traditional tory.

main point was a policy of allowing anyone in wouldnt be popular.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The topic I was typing about was criminal activity on French territory. I don’t get to vote on an activity that French law enforcement can stamp down on without the need of any input from me.




I recall a large number of people being horrified when 40 trafficked people were found dead in the back of that lorry in Essex.
I recall many people being disgusted at the people smuggling going on at Calais exit points which resulted in millions being invested in securing the lorry parks and access to freight. And that being successful to the degree it made the smugglers focus on other avenues of smuggling.



I have never seen it on NSC or the press or mainstream media either, but there again I never said I did.
The cesspit of the wider social media is a different ball game though, all sorts of tomfoolery on there……..which of course should be ignored as laughable…….but some people are sucked into the twattishness of things like twitter and facebook on stuff like people trafficking





My post didnt accuse anybody on here, feel free to continue accusing me of accusing and accusing me of being an attention seeker and having nothing meaningful to input, will you be self reporting yourself to the mods for punishment for accusing?

He's opened a can of worms and they're wriggling all over him ? The pressure needs to be constantly applied to the Government to finally deal with illegal crossings of the channel and money being wasted on putting up the economic migrants in 4 star hotels
Regards
DF

 

[Lever]

for evidence i'd point to the last few elections, and as far back as Gillian Duffy. no the current government is not traditional tory.

main point was a policy of allowing anyone in wouldnt be popular.

So you believe the tories won the last few elections primarily on the back of their policies about channel crossing immigrants? Have I got that right?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Alan Manning (Professor of Economics at LSE) believes the only way to substantially reduce the number of migrants crossing the Channel is through an agreement with France. If we are to reach such an agreement 'in good faith' then I think we must ditch this untrustworthy government.......

'The only way to substantially reduce the numbers crossing the Channel is through an agreement with France. That is the lesson from previous episodes of unauthorised sea crossings. What agreement would effectively reduce the number of crossings?

Expanded safe and legal routes would be part of the agreement. There might be a cap on numbers, and priority given to those who have more links to the UK. But the UK would probably have to agree to take more refugees on these schemes than are currently crossing. However, it is likely that there would be some who would like to come to the UK who would not be admitted under these schemes. For this group, the incentive to cross the Channel would remain.

The way to make sure they do not attempt dangerous Channel crossings is if, on making it to the UK, they cannot stay. Returns to France would need to be part of the agreement (together with assurances about how they will be treated in France). France would need to be offered something in return for its agreement. Money is unlikely to be enough alone; but the expanded safe and legal routes from France is something the UK could offer.

An agreement like this offers something for everyone to like and loathe. It offers more safe and legal routes but with a returns policy and a limit on numbers many will dislike. For the government, it offers the prospect of reducing crossings, but accepting more asylum seekers from Europe, something unpopular with many of their supporters. But any solution needs more realism and compromise than our current polarised discussion allows. And the events of this week show it is needed quickly'.

He would say that the blokes Pro migration no better then bearded Steve from amnesty International imho

https://youtu.be/14gszuRGtBA

Regards
DF