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The Clamp

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I’ll ask you then, knowing there’s a good chance that these people will be putting their lives at risk, the French Police ( because they’re not breaking the law) should stand by and not intervene?


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I think the French police are bang out of order. They should put aside politics and tit for tat and halt any obvious people smuggling and stop dinghies full of migrants launching. They have let themselves down badly.
 








nicko31

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Be careful what you wish for. Ditching the ECHR applies to you and every citizen.

Even if this country goes full fascist like Franco, shooting people like me, who dare to speak out against the government, there’s still International Maritime Law, where anybody allowing these people to drown, would end up in the courts, where I was only following orders is not a defence.

There's only one country in Europe than is non sig to the ECHR and that's Belarus.
 


WATFORD zero

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That’s whataboutism I’m afraid, I’m talking about the French doing nothing, we all know the current Government aren’t fit for purpose, but on that basis should the French do nothing?


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Out of interest, when in the last 12 months since you voted for them, did that realisation hit you ???
 




The Clamp

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One thing that puzzles me is how do they get the boat? If it’s a case of being provided one by the smugglers, surely some simple intelligence work could reveal who is giving them the dinghy at the point of exchange.
I’m sure it’s not as simple as that but I do wonder what the actual procedure is. The practicalities as it were?
 


Chicken Run

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One thing that puzzles me is how do they get the boat? If it’s a case of being provided one by the smugglers, surely some simple intelligence work could reveal who is giving them the dinghy at the point of exchange.
I’m sure it’s not as simple as that but I do wonder what the actual procedure is. The practicalities as it were?

I would imagine the French Government provide the boats, a little tip off as to a warehouse house that won’t be locked in downtown Dunkirk….

Anyway joking aside how easy would it be for the local Gendarmerie/Police to walk up and pop the boats?


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The Clamp

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I would imagine the French Government provide the boats, a little tip off as to a warehouse house that won’t be locked in downtown Dunkirk….

Anyway joking aside how easy would it be for the local Gendarmerie/Police to walk up and pop the boats?


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Haha! Perhaps Decathlon provide them in some sort of scheme?
But as you say, joking aside. I think the French authorities have let themselves down here. One of those instances where taking the higher ground would have served them well. I know Johnson is a moron and too combative to oversee this but when it comes to saving lives, the French should drop the acting out and do the right thing.
There’s no excuse for standing idly by and letting those craft launch. Very poor show indeed.
 








pastafarian

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I’ll ask you then, knowing there’s a good chance that these people will be putting their lives at risk, the French Police ( because they’re not breaking the law) should stand by and not intervene?


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It has never been illegal to cross the channel to seek asylum.
You can legitimately claim asylum in the UK when you are in the UK
Many illegal immigrants in mainland Europe use illegal methods to attempt entry to the UK
An unknown number of illegal immigrants from Europe enter the UK illegally and do not get caught entering the UK and do not present themselves to UK authorities upon entry. These illegal immigrants remain illegal immigrants.

Currently some French law enforcement officials try to stop the illegal entry attempts by people using human traffickers and some French law enforcement officials just stand by and watch people going to their death via deathtrap dinghies at the hands of smugglers.

French law enforcement could do more to stamp out the criminal activity happening in its jurisdiction

Apologists who refuse to condemn people smugglers and encourage the illegal attempts at entry and more trafficking by encouraging illegal immigrants to get to Calais are complicit in the deaths and have blood on their hands.

Fortunately plenty of people are changing their mind and are now coming round to the realisation that encouraging mass migration kills people and also realising the French authorities can no longer allow this illegal trafficking to continue when its in their power to stamp down hard on it.

Some people unfortunately are too full of an agenda to care about people drowning when their focus is on political hate

Hope this clears this up.
 




pastafarian

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it's a tricky one, what crime are they commiting?

jesus wept ....what crime is being committed by criminal people trafficking via deathrap dinghies????????????

If you cannot comprehend that it is illegal to facilitate illegal entry into the UK and illegal to traffic and facilitate the movement of illegal immigrants and illegal to knowingly transport people in unseaworthy deathtrap vessels then im not surprised you refuse to condemn this killing activity and are so confused.

Next week..........40 people being trafficked by criminal gangs and attempting illegal entry in the back of a lorry dead after suffocating
Randy .......it's a tricky one, what crime are they commiting?
 




nicko31

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It has never been illegal to cross the channel to seek asylum.
You can legitimately claim asylum in the UK when you are in the UK
Many illegal immigrants in mainland Europe use illegal methods to attempt entry to the UK
An unknown number of illegal immigrants from Europe enter the UK illegally and do not get caught entering the UK and do not present themselves to UK authorities upon entry. These illegal immigrants remain illegal immigrants.

Currently some French law enforcement officials try to stop the illegal entry attempts by people using human traffickers and some French law enforcement officials just stand by and watch people going to their death via deathtrap dinghies at the hands of smugglers.

French law enforcement could do more to stamp out the criminal activity happening in its jurisdiction

Apologists who refuse to condemn people smugglers and encourage the illegal attempts at entry and more trafficking by encouraging illegal immigrants to get to Calais are complicit in the deaths and have blood on their hands.

Fortunately plenty of people are changing their mind and are now coming round to the realisation that encouraging mass migration kills people and also realising the French authorities can no longer allow this illegal trafficking to continue when its in their power to stamp down hard on it.

Some people unfortunately are too full of an agenda to care about people drowning when their focus is on political hate

Hope this clears this up.

Under the Vote Leave government our relationship with the French is the worse since Waterloo, it was avoidable but a political choice has been made.

There's a huge issue with trust now, the lies and law breaking sadly are now taking their toll.
 




rogersix

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How do you know its bullshit if you haven't watched it ?
Does reality scare you?

Regards
DF

well the thing with all information, especially the internet, is that the source is vital to the meaning of the information. i think to myself, who is telling me this and why? who is trying to manipulate me and to what end? by so doing i can avoid being mugged off by someone who has not got my best interests at heart. i have watched a reasonable sample of your vids and have found them to be unbalanced (as you have stated). i'm listening to radio 4 right now, watch ch4 news, and occasionaly read the times. this means i'm quite well genned up on current affairs and find gbnews simply to be opinion, devoid of facts. as for alex bellfield, jesus wept, a sad, lonely, paranoid individual, rambling on about perceived injustices (in his mind), clearly a wrong'un.
you appear to be scared of reality, you need to get out there and embrace life, you spend way too much time trawling for nonsense on the internet, please tell me what positivity you get from posting this stuff? why do you think you get banned so often? :shrug:
 


GrizzlingGammon

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Well if you're not encouraging them you'd be happy to see them not crossing in the first place , as for their ID being taken from them dream on,

8, 000 + of them now in 4 star Hotel at a cost of millions to the tax payer no wonder tensions are running high maybe you would be prepared to pay more in tax to subsidise them seems fair for those that want them here ?

Regards
DF

Serious question. Why are you not this vocal and angry about the government spending over £30 billion on an app that never worked?

£30,000,000,000
£1,000,000

Just think what £30billion could have been spent on.
 


nicko31

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Serious question. Why are you not this vocal and angry about the government spending over £30 billion on an app that never worked?

£30,000,000,000
£1,000,000

Just think what £30billion could have been spent on.

He knows what's good for him
 

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WATFORD zero

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It has never been illegal to cross the channel to seek asylum.
You can legitimately claim asylum in the UK when you are in the UK
Many illegal immigrants in mainland Europe use illegal methods to attempt entry to the UK
An unknown number of illegal immigrants from Europe enter the UK illegally and do not get caught entering the UK and do not present themselves to UK authorities upon entry. These illegal immigrants remain illegal immigrants.

Currently some French law enforcement officials try to stop the illegal entry attempts by people using human traffickers and some French law enforcement officials just stand by and watch people going to their death via deathtrap dinghies at the hands of smugglers.

French law enforcement could do more to stamp out the criminal activity happening in its jurisdiction

Apologists who refuse to condemn people smugglers and encourage the illegal attempts at entry and more trafficking by encouraging illegal immigrants to get to Calais are complicit in the deaths and have blood on their hands.

Fortunately plenty of people are changing their mind and are now coming round to the realisation that encouraging mass migration kills people and also realising the French authorities can no longer allow this illegal trafficking to continue when its in their power to stamp down hard on it.

Some people unfortunately are too full of an agenda to care about people drowning when their focus is on political hate

Hope this clears this up.


The sort of political hate whereby they would knowingly vote (twice) to get rid of the UK's seat on the management board for Europol - the European Union Agency for Law Enforcement Cooperation, and stopping British Police officers getting access to the Europol database, the biggest single source of information for the UK’s and EU's efforts to dismantle immigrant smuggling networks ?

The sort of political hate that would get rid of the much maligned Dublin regulations and destroy international relations and co-operation with the countries across the channel in order to 'be a winner' ?

The sort of political hate that would elect a Government that would close down the official resettlement routes for refugees such as the Syrian Scheme and the the Dubs scheme and fail to put anything in place for Afghanistan ? In the last 18 months, the largest number of refugees crossing the channel by Nationality were Iranian 3,187. The number let in through the official channels ? 1

All resulting in a tripling (and still increasing) of numbers since these measures that you campaigned and voted for, took place 11 months ago.

I would think that people so driven by their political agenda that they keep knowingly voting for this, again and again are in your words, the very definition of 'complicit in the deaths and have blood on their hands.'
 




The Clamp

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It’s very interesting isn’t it. Genuinely. They’re wasn’t this level of outrage at people smugglers when the main routes in were in trucks and lorries. In fact it was rarely mentioned.

What is it then about them crossing the channel that so upsets some on here? Visibility? The perception that they are “invading” our shores?
“Churchill didn’t beat back the Hun for you to just swan over here in a dinghy”?

Is it because it painfully illustrates a huge flaw in their idea of Brexit, of what they were promised and what they thought they were voting for?

Is it an old fashioned suspicion of the onion-chompers?

Because no matter how long their posts or how enervated they get, I do not believe for one second it’s out of concern for the safety of the migrants nor for any particular worry about the activities of people smugglers. Most of them don’t even seem to know how the people smuggling gangs operate.

It’s also a very convenient stick to beat anyone with a different opinion; “you condone people smuggling, urrrgh you’re disgusting, shame shame”!

Oh do grow up, you’re fooling nobody.
 


Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
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Apologists who refuse to condemn people smugglers and encourage the illegal attempts at entry and more trafficking by encouraging illegal immigrants to get to Calais are complicit in the deaths and have blood on their hands.

Some people unfortunately are too full of an agenda to care about people drowning when their focus is on political hate

Hope this clears this up.

I have not seen anyone refuse to condemn people smugglers, either on NSC, in the press or media. You are absolutely right, people are too full of an agenda, hence idiots think a solution is to stop the RNLI launching a boat. This example of political hate is fueled by ignorance, fueled by blame being put on the migrants, not the smugglers facilitating the crossings, or deadly container travel.
 


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