mikeyjh
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That's like people who get a job 50 miles from home and then moan about the commute! I jest of course, just a shame that is so far out of the city centre....
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[Albion] Was there a better site than Falmer
- Thread starter goldstoneseagull
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It's nothing a decent sized car park with direct access to the A27 wouldn't solve.
Is it just me, or isn't there a prime bit of land that could be turned into a car park here. And on google maps it has thoughtfully not been shaded green.
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Greg Bobkin
Silver Seagull
- May 22, 2012
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Yes, but my point is that if there was a more effective transport network/strategy in place, then it would be fine. When things run smoothly, no-one complains and all of a sudden the location isn't an issue.
B-right-on
Living the dream
Far from it. It's like a person who gets a job 50 miles from home with no car parking facilities nearby, after a little while realises that the hourly train commute is rammed with other commuters so they often have to wait at the station for 2-3 trains, the train company doesn't care and so doesn't lay on extra carriages and there's no coverage if it rains.
His other alternative is to get the bus, which is also over subscribed and suddenly the bus company stops sending double length bendy buses and only sends single buses, keeping to the commitment of providing xx number of buses (even though they're half sized).
Brighton is perfect for trams. Been saying this for years.
Uter
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This is not the worst suggestion in the world. One 12 car Thameslink train can accommodate 1800 people, which is about double an 8 car 377. Just scheduling one of these to arrive maybe 10-15 minutes on the Brighton bound line after the final whistle would have a big impact. And it could be back on the eastbound platform 30 minutes later to help with congestion on that side.
The Thameslink fleet was procured when a 24 train per hour service was envisioned in the Thameslink central core, but it's unlikely to ever quite achieve this. Therefore spare unit availability isn't quite the problem it might have been.
Lengthening the platforms at Falmer to 250m should be reasonably straightforward, but ideally you'd want to extend the westbound platform at the western end, rather than the eastern end to ensure people use the full length of the train. This would mean moving a signal.
The problem is where do you turn them on the Eastern side. They are too long to turn at Lewes. I am almost certain a power upgrade would be needed to run them to Seaford and this would cost millions. You could turn them at Eastbourne, but then a round trip would take much longer, so you'd be getting less benefit. There may be a turnback just to the East of Lewes station, but I am not 100% sure.
The club would need to bear the bulk of cost of any infrastructure updates and driver training needed to use 700s as there's no real wider benefit to running them on the East Coastway, and that would probably be the sticking point.
Perseus was definetly talking about the training ground location. The cement works was one of the options under consideration and rightly discounted.
Was there a better location? What became the New England Quarter, would have been an interesting one. I don't think the land was ever available at an affordable price and the timing was all wrong. Other than that every other location was a bigger compromise than Falmer.
Was there a better location? What became the New England Quarter, would have been an interesting one. I don't think the land was ever available at an affordable price and the timing was all wrong. Other than that every other location was a bigger compromise than Falmer.
Well, transport and its curation has reached an event horizon, with cut price road building arrangements (here, getting from the M23 to car park C involves driving nearly to Lewes then coming back on the other side of the 27 because of no proper connections, and the rest of the country has thousands of examples of such shitness) and Victorian train lines that have never been improved (owing to lack of foresight coupled with Thatcher's disdain for railways especially nationalized ones) culminating in Major flogging it all off to shysters without any meaningful guaranteed delivery of service clauses. And if improvements to the train link to Brighton were proposed, they would be quashed on 'environmental' grounds.It's a sad endictment of the state of the transport links that people are now actually starting to question the wisdom of building the stadium at Falmer. How on earth did it ever come to this?
And before anyone says 'whatabout water hall' (hi, Mustafa) the same issues would apply anywhere. It is what we do. Mediocre, intrinsically flawed, compromised, unfit for purpose.
However, with everyone 'having a say' in everything, this is the price we pay for not having a society like China, where if you don't like having your community demolished for a hi-tech football stadium with luxury transport, in the name of progress, then you can f*** off or be shot.
This would have been nice. With integrated road and rail transport and a fair bit on major engineering, only the Chinese could do this.
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If you have drawn the male organ on the A27 from memory, I suggest you seek urgent medical attention. The angle of entry into Waterhall is also somewhat ambituious for a man of your advancing years.
Ahem. Those were my preliminary sketches.
um bongo molongo
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This feels like a sad indictment of the state of our country. 1.5m unemployed people and not enough bus drivers…
Are you old enough to remember the trolleybuses? I was only 3 but I did go for a ride on one.
Trolleybuses in Brighton - Wikipedia
Presumably far to young to remember the actual trams.
Brighton Corporation Tramways - Wikipedia
I am certain however you are familiar with this wonderful item in Wuppertal.
Wuppertal Schwebebahn - Wikipedia
Now, we could surely erect a bit of kit like this over the Falmer road?
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,012
why do we keep blaming infrastructure? a stadium can be in town where fans arrive disperse into the surrounding area, but its more expensive and size constrained. or canbe edge/out of town where near 100% have to travel. its inherent compromise and there is no infrastructure solution to solve this for 20 odd games as season. we chose out of town as there were no in town options.
obviously Chinese would have selected the most cental location, like an industrial park near Hove Park, ploughed it up to make way for a stadium.
Transport infrastructure. I am blaming the poor curation of it for it being so shit. That's all.
Yep, Hove park, with a return train line shunted off Hove station. Or better still, this (We could call it the Goldstone Stadium):
Uter
Well-known member
I think the question here is, are Southern using all available spare rolling stock to strengthen services on matchdays, or are they using as little as they think they can reasonably get away with?*
If the latter, then what can be done to persuade Southern to up their provision? Presumably, only throwing more money their way would work. If the club is selling out every match despite excessive train queues then what is their incentive to pay Southern more to improve their service?
*Of course, the answer might be different depending on when the match is. There's bound to be fewer spare units available for midweek matches compared to Sundays. Southern have recently retired the ancient 313 fleet, but on the other hand they are still running a less intensive timetable than pre-Covid.
- May 8, 2018
- 10,609
What was the car capacity of Bennett’s Field? Just wondering how much of an impact this would have if a settlement could be reached?
Planning Application for Temporary change of use of land for car parking (up to 650 spaces) for outdoor events at the American Express Community Stadium (to be used no more than 50 times per year)