[Politics] Voter Identification.

[Swansman]

According to this website: https://www.val.se/, the law in Sweden allows somebody who has photo ID to verify the identity of a voter who doesn't possess ID for whatever reason. I'm not sure why that's any more sensible or secure than the system in the UK.

Its not more sensible or secure. Its just pretty funny that some kind of photo ID seemingly is a big issue over there... in most of the world you either got one or you're a muppet. But as I said, I like it, just like I like that you dont have civil registration.

No system is safe. If the powers that be would like to change the votes as they please no one would suspect anything.

 

[Baker lite]

Just unblocked a few of the OP's posts to see why others are chewing him out. The 'keyboard warrior' one made me laugh. This, from a bloke who invited people to give me a slap a while ago

I don’t remember inviting people to “give you a slap “ If did I sincerely apologise. I do however recall on several occasions you proclaiming a desire to punch me really hard in the face?
Once again, I apologise unreservedly if indeed I invited others to “give you a slap.”


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[Petunia]

Good thing. People might take it more seriously for one reason. But also who doesn't have ID these days, can only be for criminal reasons? I'm struggling to think of any other legitimate reason.

My 96 year old mum doesn’t have any photo ID. She hasn’t had a passport for many years, has never driven, can’t use a bus, doesn’t use a library... I’m not too sure what she could get. She used to enjoy being taken to the polling station to exercise her right to vote, but to be fair she does now have a postal vote

 

[A1X]

So seems this is going ahead, but according to Johnson in the press conference it only applies to “first time voters”. A demographic which, in I’m sure an entirely unrelated development, is far less likely to vote Conservative.

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A novel idea, preventing people likely to oppose you from voting. Surprised nobody’s thought of it before.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

So seems this is going ahead, but according to Johnson in the press conference it only applies to “first time voters”. A demographic which, in I’m sure an entirely unrelated development, is far less likely to vote Conservative.

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A novel idea, preventing people likely to oppose you from voting. Surprised nobody’s thought of it before.

So nothing to do with the fact that it is older voters that are less likely to have photo ID and like any new system it is easier to phase it in gradually ? Must be part of a conspiracy. I really think that reading Twitter and Facebook is bad for people’s mental health.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

So nothing to do with the fact that it is older voters that are less likely to have photo ID and like any new system it is easier to phase it in gradually ? Must be part of a conspiracy. I really think that reading Twitter and Facebook is bad for people’s mental health.

I really think not reading and questioning leads people to swallow whatever is served up to them. Bad for democracy.

 

[beorhthelm]

So seems this is going ahead, but according to Johnson in the press conference it only applies to “first time voters”. A demographic which, in I’m sure an entirely unrelated development, is far less likely to vote Conservative.

seems more likely something made up on the hoof.

 

[A1X]

So nothing to do with the fact that it is older voters that are less likely to have photo ID and like any new system it is easier to phase it in gradually ? Must be part of a conspiracy. I really think that reading Twitter and Facebook is bad for people’s mental health.

So why are we treating old people and young people differently in what claims to be a democracy where all votes are equal?

 

[jonny.rainbow]

So nothing to do with the fact that it is older voters that are less likely to have photo ID and like any new system it is easier to phase it in gradually ? Must be part of a conspiracy. I really think that reading Twitter and Facebook is bad for people’s mental health.

Why on earth would they need to phase it in gradually?

The next general election is 3 years away. More than enough time for EVERYONE of voting age to be informed they will require photo ID to vote and make the necessary arrangements.

Phasing it in as you suggest would actually make it more confusing for people.

“Do I need ID? Do I not need ID? I did last time, how about next time?” Etc.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Why on earth would they need to phase it in gradually?

The next general election is 3 years away. More than enough time for EVERYONE of voting age to be informed they will require photo ID to vote and make the necessary arrangements.

Phasing it in as you suggest would actually make it more confusing for people.

“Do I need ID? Do I not need ID? I did last time, how about next time?” Etc.

Or is it ?

The Fixed Term Parliament Act could well be binned soon. Moves may be afoot already to start the process. And then we could get a GE much sooner... if the Pied Piper wants to ride the vaccination popularity wave.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Why on earth would they need to phase it in gradually?

The next general election is 3 years away. More than enough time for EVERYONE of voting age to be informed they will require photo ID to vote and make the necessary arrangements.

Phasing it in as you suggest would actually make it more confusing for people.

“Do I need ID? Do I not need ID? I did last time, how about next time?” Etc.

Perhaps because of all the internet conspiracy theorists ? Personally I would bring it in immediately for everyone but Boris is a libertarian.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

So nothing to do with the fact that it is older voters that are less likely to have photo ID and like any new system it is easier to phase it in gradually ? Must be part of a conspiracy. I really think that reading Twitter and Facebook is bad for people’s mental health.

Actually, Research by the Electoral Commission, the independent body that sets the standards of elections in the UK, suggests people from ethnic minorities are the least likely demographic to have photo ID.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I really think not reading and questioning leads people to swallow whatever is served up to them. Bad for democracy.

Who isnt reading and questioning ? I have lived and worked in Asia and mainland Europe and so have a lot of experience of other societies. As Swansman was implying, it really is quite quaint being lectured by English conspiracy theorists.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Actually, Research by the Electoral Commission, the independent body that sets the standards of elections in the UK, suggests people from ethnic minorities are the least likely demographic to have photo ID.

So the obvious conclusion would be to support those ethnic minorities in acquiring photo ID. That would help them take part in and get the most out of society. Are there any organizations doing so ?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

So why are we treating old people and young people differently in what claims to be a democracy where all votes are equal?

Because lots of people on the internet have complained that many old people don’t have photo ID ? I agree it shouldn’t matter.

 

[studio150]

So seems this is going ahead, but according to Johnson in the press conference it only applies to “first time voters”. A demographic which, in I’m sure an entirely unrelated development, is far less likely to vote Conservative.

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A novel idea, preventing people likely to oppose you from voting. Surprised nobody’s thought of it before.

The only surprise is that Johnson didn't announce there was going to be a voter ID app with the contract already given to one of his chums with Dido Harding overseeing its introduction.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

So the obvious conclusion would be to support those ethnic minorities in acquiring photo ID. That would help them take part in and get the most out of society. Are there any organizations doing so ?

I’d argue considering it’s a needless piece of government legislation considering the incredibly low percentage of voter fraud, the onus should be on the government to provide support to ensure everyone has access to a form of ID, especially to those who will be most effected by said legislation.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Who isnt reading and questioning ? I have lived and worked in Asia and mainland Europe and so have a lot of experience of other societies. As Swansman was implying, it really is quite quaint being lectured by English conspiracy theorists.

So your experience of other societies leads you to the conclusion that it is a conspiracy theory to suggest the government would bring in a voter policy that might harm the opposition more than it does them? Is that where enlightenment has got you?

 

[beorhthelm]

I’d argue considering it’s a needless piece of government legislation considering the incredibly low percentage of voter fraud, the onus should be on the government to provide support to ensure everyone has access to a form of ID, especially to those who will be most effected by said legislation.

as this is a ruse to give a national ID, we can be sure that will feature prominently. once everyone has made a massive fuss, they can u-turn/show they are listening, providing a solution to the main objection.

 

[pastafarian]

Because lots of people on the internet have complained that many old people don’t have photo ID ? I agree it shouldn’t matter.

After the Brexit vote there was a chorus of bellends moaning and saying the vote should be removed from old people,where have they gone?