Virgo

[heavyweightsrbest]

What game were some of you watching?, elphick had a mare in the 2nd half, he was all at sea at times and virgo had to get him out the shit on more than one occasion, despite his error i thought virgs was ok. forster was poor again too, play breaking down nearly every time he got the ball and couldnt wait to see him taken off, sad but true, calderon was brilliant, his shots apart and navarro was a big loss, cos he was starting to boss the midfield when he got clattered.
Fed up with looking the better team and having much the lions share of possession with nothing to show for it though, which is the gist of what poyet was saying afterwards i think. Poyet sounded confident more players to be signed by monday so heres hoping.

A good summary of the game. When we sign two new central defenders who have something about them, we will be a better side and not make the mistakes which have cost us over the last two years.

 

[WhingForPresident]

Sory as know you like Vigo but scapegoat? Virgo and Elphick have been ever present in the last two seasons when we have been fighting relegation. At some point Poyet will make a decision that we have to leave players behind and those that keep failing will be the one's to go.

Well, Virgo's mistake ultimately cost us the game yesterday.

I think we all know Virgo is capable- he's been showing us that since he's come back into the squad- looking like a new, revitalised player.
But Poyet won't tolerate many more slip-ups. He simply has to sort it out. I don't think he'll get a new contract if he doesn't have a pretty much flawless last half of the season.

I can't put my finger on why we are not in the play-offs.. Whether it's the CB's being so error prone, or the lack of a left midfielder, or maybe I'm just deluded in thinking our squad is in the top 10 in League One in terms of quality..
But if Gus thinks it's the CB's holding us back, he has to put it right soon, or we could see ourselves in a lot of bother this season.

 

[The Wizard]

Virgo is better than Tunnicliffe, 1 mistake yesterday cost us the game is true, but every player makes an error every now and again, what about McNulty last week? is he being torn to shits on here?

 

[dougdeep]

Virgo is better than Tunnicliffe, 1 mistake yesterday cost us the game is true, but every player makes an error every now and again, what about McNulty last week? is he being torn to shits on here?

No, but neither is Virgo.

 

[WhingForPresident]

Virgo is better than Tunnicliffe, 1 mistake yesterday cost us the game is true, but every player makes an error every now and again, what about McNulty last week? is he being torn to shits on here?

Virgo ISN'T for a change.

 

[Jamie]

No one is tearing anyone to bits. Its just that the facts speak for themselves. We have been in a relegation fight in the third division for two seasons. So the players ever present in those two seasons have not got much of an argument. We just have to look at the league table

 

[Arrid]

There was no reason for Tunni to be dropped at all, feel he has been treated very harshly.

Other than he really isn't that good!

 

[Horney]

Well, Virgo's mistake ultimately cost us the game yesterday.

I think we all know Virgo is capable- he's been showing us that since he's come back into the squad- looking like a new, revitalised player.
But Poyet won't tolerate many more slip-ups. He simply has to sort it out. I don't think he'll get a new contract if he doesn't have a pretty much flawless last half of the season.

I can't put my finger on why we are not in the play-offs.. Whether it's the CB's being so error prone, or the lack of a left midfielder, or maybe I'm just deluded in thinking our squad is in the top 10 in League One in terms of quality..
But if Gus thinks it's the CB's holding us back, he has to put it right soon, or we could see ourselves in a lot of bother this season.

We are already well into the 2nd half of the season and the charge up the table hasn't materialised yet.
People are apologising for Virgo...it was one mistake...he played well for the rest of the game etc...well, in our position, we cannot afford basic errors. Every point is vital and any that are chucked away are unforgiveable.
We are where we are largely because of our home form. 8 points out 39 is totally unacceptable. Also, we seem incapable of taking points off anyone in the top 8 ( 9 matches - 1 point )
We are already in a lot of bother and the league table may not make pretty reading after ' our run of death ' matches.
When fans have given up at home and against any side in the top 8, then you realise you are really struggling.

 

[fleet]

No way that I blame Virgo for yesterday - yes he made a big mistake and we got punished for it, but teh lack of finishing up front was a major issue

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Without that mistake we would have got a point regardless of our finishing.

Huge BLOOPER from Virgs.

 

[xenophon]

Virgo had a good game (IMO) if you ignore the complete shitfuck he made of their goal. But, you can't gift a player like Morison a chance like that, unforgivable. I did feel sorry for the lad, but he was too slow and got robbed. Millwall's defence were excellent all game and kept our chances to set-pieces

He's been playing well lately Virgo, but time to give Tunnicliffe a go, I still think Tunni and Elphick should be our partnership at the back. Painter and Calderon were good too.

 

[The Wizard]

Without that mistake we would have got a point regardless of our finishing.

Huge BLOOPER from Virgs.

Huge blooper from McNulty last week also, how comes you didn't get your knickers in a twist like you have with Virgo's mistake.

 

[HseagullsH]

Huge blooper from McNulty last week also, how comes you didn't get your knickers in a twist like you have with Virgo's mistake.

What blooper are you talking about?

When Ashley Young got in front of him and headed home?
When he lost the ball in the MIDDLE of the pitch and then ultimately they went on to score?

They certainly aren't mistakes like Virgo made.


If Virgo was to be dropped, I'd play Painter in the middle (as he is a CB) and play McNulty left back. Would not have Tunnicliffe starting.

 

[The Wizard]

What blooper are you talking about?

When Ashley Young got in front of him and headed home?
When he lost the ball in the MIDDLE of the pitch and then ultimately they went on to score?

They certainly aren't mistakes like Virgo made.


If Virgo was to be dropped, I'd play Painter in the middle (as he is a CB) and play McNulty left back. Would not have Tunnicliffe starting.

I can't tell if your being ironic but I'll guess your not, how aren't they mistakes like Virgo made? Virgo's was made in a worst position I grant you but ultimately last week McNulty cost us two goals, Walt didn't mention this however.

 

[HseagullsH]

I can't tell if your being ironic but I'll guess your not, how aren't they mistakes like Virgo made? Virgo's was made in a worst position I grant you but ultimately last week McNulty cost us two goals, Walt didn't mention this however.

What I am saying is the goals we conceded were not 100% McNultys fault.

The first goal was McNulty giving it away in the midfield area. They then broke away. Navarro missed his tackle, Elphick missed his tackle, Delfounesa managed to breeze through the box unmarked.

The other goal, Downing (I think) strolled past Calderon. Young in the box, where were Elphick and Virgo? McNulty shouldn't be losing the header to Young but he got himself in a good position.


Compare this with Virgo who lost the ball in front of his goal, leaving Morrison to stroll past Kuipers for an open goal.

Now I am not knocking Virgo, and I for one wouldn't drop him for Tunnicliffe, but I see a difference between McNultys mistakes and Virgo's.

 

[The Wizard]

What I am saying is the goals we conceded were not 100% McNultys fault.

The first goal was McNulty giving it away in the midfield area. They then broke away. Navarro missed his tackle, Elphick missed his tackle, Delfounesa managed to breeze through the box unmarked.

The other goal, Downing (I think) strolled past Calderon. Young in the box, where were Elphick and Virgo? McNulty shouldn't be losing the header to Young but he got himself in a good position.


Compare this with Virgo who lost the ball in front of his goal, leaving Morrison to stroll past Kuipers for an open goal.

Now I am not knocking Virgo, and I for one wouldn't drop him for Tunnicliffe, but I see a difference between McNultys mistakes and Virgo's.

In my opinion, he lost the ball (needlessly) which lead to us losing a goal that is what Virgo did, agree to disagree.

 

[HseagullsH]

In my opinion, he lost the ball (needlessly) which lead to us losing a goal that is what Virgo did, agree to disagree.

I see where you are coming from, but at the same point that happens NUMEROUS times during a game.

Dicker gave an even more dangerous ball away in the second half, in which they should have scored. To me, whether they score or not is irrelevant.
If a player gives away 5 pens, and the opposition fail to score all 5 pens, is that ok?

IMO, Millwalls goal was due to a Virgo error.
Villa's goal was due to collective errors, STARTING from McNulty.

That is why I think McNulty hasn't had the same level of criticism on here...


EDIT: I'd like to add that by your reckoning, nearly EVERY single goal scored is due to an INDIVIDUAL error. Pretty much every goal will come from sloppily giving the ball away to start with, or missing an important tackle.

 

[fleet]

What game were some of you watching?, elphick had a mare in the 2nd half, he was all at sea at times and virgo had to get him out the shit on more than one occasion, despite his error i thought virgs was ok. forster was poor again too, play breaking down nearly every time he got the ball and couldnt wait to see him taken off, sad but true, calderon was brilliant, his shots apart and navarro was a big loss, cos he was starting to boss the midfield when he got clattered.
Fed up with looking the better team and having much the lions share of possession with nothing to show for it though, which is the gist of what poyet was saying afterwards i think. Poyet sounded confident more players to be signed by monday so heres hoping.

SPot on IMO - Murray worked hard achieved little, Forster worked hard achieved even less. Very much fed up of looking the better team and getting nothing too.

 

[BensGrandad]

Our problem is that we do not have a central defender who can kick with his left foot as per Guy Butters. With Elphick playing on Virgos left if he moves over to cover the left back he has to put the ball on his right side which is the goal side. With Virgo also being right footed he naturally moves over to his right towards the right back thus between them they leave a big hole down the middle. If Elphick was naturally left footed it would give us better balance at the back.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Our problem is that we do not have a central defender who can kick with his left foot as per Guy Butters. With Elphick playing on Virgos left if he moves over to cover the left back he has to put the ball on his right side which is the goal side. With Virgo also being right footed he naturally moves over to his right towards the right back thus between them they leave a big hole down the middle. If Elphick was naturally left footed it would give us better balance at the back.

Shame Adams and White fell out with a fairly talented left footed centre back we had, who did also have some pace, which no of our back 4 have.