Vincent Tan is a nutjob.

[Guy Fawkes]

I think I'd be a bit nervous if I was a Cardiff supporter right now. I can see him walking away, and taking whatever he can with him. A vanity project gone wrong.

Or a case of supporter power pushing out the best thing to happen to that club in decades if not its history because they are unhappy about little things like the rebranding but missing the bigger things like the club being saved and still running plus the added bonus of top flight football and having an owner willing to pump millions into the playing side to try to achieve success?

 

[spring hall convert]

And there position before Tans investment was that they were going bust!

We are lucky to have bloom to prop us up, but without him we could have easily gone under. Had he not been around and the only option was, say a foreign owner like Tan, someone willing to pump millions into a club to bail them out and to help get them to the top flight or option 2, bankruptcy and a phoenix club - which do you think the vast majority of fans would choose?

THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT!!!

Don't get into that position in the first place by overspending and then you don't run the risk of a loon taking over. This is why us as fans have to hold the board to account on spending.

This is why I actually don't have a great deal of sympathy with the Cardiff fans as a group. they knew how poorly the club was being run pre-Tan but all the while they had the allure of Premier League football they were happy for it to continue. Well, this is the kind of ownership you get if no-one wants to buy the club.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

You missed a few

Changed the Colour of the Teams shirts No / Yes
Said the Press is Racist No/Yes
Replaced the head of recruitment with somebody off the street No/Yes
Told the Fans to apologise no/Yes

Did he say the press is racist before he was percieved as a nut job by the press or after it ? Are the press targeting him because he is a foreign owner (maybe, and if yes then it is racism isn't it?)

Did our fans think that Burke was someone who was plucked off the street and asked to run various parts of the club (reading a thread on here today, the answer would seem to be yes) - do we know what the qualities and ualifications of the guy Tan brought in are, he could well be an expert and doing a far better job than the man he replaced? (did we knbow Burkes qualifications and experience until his recent Roar interview?)

Have some of our fans turned on Bloom to warrent him making a statement to ask them to apologise?

Well our shirts changed from Green and Black to Yellow

The colour change wasn't just something that was a shock decision and it was known about before it was to be brought in, there appeared to be very little protest or opposition to it from what i recall - What did the fans do to stop it happening or where they willing to accept it for the level of investment they were recieving in return?

 

[Mackenzie]

Or a case of supporter power pushing out the best thing to happen to that club in decades if not its history because they are unhappy about little things like the rebranding but missing the bigger things like the club being saved and still running plus the added bonus of top flight football and having an owner willing to pump millions into the playing side to try to achieve success?

Yes. Came to be loved, ended up being ridiculed.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT!!!

Don't get into that position in the first place by overspending and then you don't run the risk of a loon taking over. This is why us as fans have to hold the board to account on spending.

This is why I actually don't have a great deal of sympathy with the Cardiff fans as a group. they knew how poorly the club was being run pre-Tan but all the while they had the allure of Premier League football they were happy for it to continue. Well, this is the kind of ownership you get if no-one wants to buy the club.

But they were going bust prior to Tan - who let this happen? was it Tan? or another foreign owner who was using the club as a vanity project?

There are good owners and bad owners and nationality or club connections / history isn't neccessarily a good measure to use to judge if someone will be good or bad for the clubs future

After initially taking a 35% share in Cardiff, Tan now owns about 90% and has paid off all creditors. According to Tan, the club's only outstanding debt is about £70m-£80m owed to him, and he will decide in due course whether or not to convert that into equity.

Tan may not look to get his investment back, then therefore not saddle theclub with a debt that may not be servicable in the long term but converting the debt into shares (like Bloom) However fans trying to force him out and a press smear campaign to try to drive him out may well mean he keeps his investment as a debt and when he does leave, cripple the club in the process

it sounds to me that the Cardiff fans are in danger of cutting off their noses to spite their face

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Changed the clubs badge - Yes / Yes

Did Cardiff fans make a video asking to be changed from Blue to Red ?

And how many Cardiff fans where ok with it being changed to red? or didn't care either way?

 

[Let's Have A Winner!]

The thing that stands out for me most on that BBC article is...he has 11 children! Future first team...?

 

[Triggaaar]

Isn't that a small price for the fans to pay for ther level of investment in the club - besides, in a few years time the fans would have got used to red and it will be a non issue

Come on

Is it all about seeing your club perform at the highest level? No, of course not. If that were the case, there'd be no point in supporting a small club, we might as well all support the biggest clubs. There's so much more supporting a local small club. A sense of togetherness, community, spirit, the stumbling journey shared, the highs and the lows, and the lows, and the lows. If you don't care about your team name or colours, you might as well change it all and move it to Milton Keynes.

I'd like to see us get promoted to the top division, but it's not the end of the world if we're not. I'm enjoying the journey wherever it leads. The problem with Tan and his changes, are that he doesn't seem to give a stuff about Cardiff. He just wants a club (any club will do) to sell to his market back home. And if he gets bored of doing that, or gets all the money he can out of it, he's off - and where will that leave the club? It looks like the club will be floated on the Singapore stock exchange - what will that mean for the club? It's all a bit worrying.

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

He should count himself lucky Redknapp wasn't manager, he'd be bankrupt and Redknapp's dog would be sunning itself in the Seychelles.

Rosie - what an appropriate name.

 

[ozzygull]

And how many Cardiff fans where ok with it being changed to red? or didn't care either way?

If you look in to the crowd at a Cardiff game on TV, you see that most wear the blue away strip, very few wear the red home kit, I guess the ones that do are OK with Tan changing the thing that gives your club most of it's identity.

He seems he did it with little regard to the way the true Cardiff supporters felt about it. If they were consulted and the majority were happy to change to red shirts then he would not have done anything wrong, but I don't think it was done that way.

Do you really believe that as long as a person puts money in a football club it's OK to do what ever they like with it? A football club should be run for the local community if you are happy to put money in under those conditions then fine, if not then don't invest.

The whole problem stems from greed in football ,Cardiff got in to debt trying to get to the prem. Paying high wages for players. That's probably more of an issue the Tan. I don't think the guy is evil; he just does not understand the culture of British football supports.

 

[John Bumlick]

"Slavering avarice"? LOL, bless his pretentious cotton socks.

As for Mr Tan, did he really say "I bought Cardiff and I don't know why"? If so, I'll have to go against the grain and say I think I like him.....

 

[jgmcdee]

A link would be helpful. Not very good at reading peoples minds.

Here you go: http://io9.com/5935643/how-to-read-someones-mind

 

[spring hall convert]

A football club should be run for the local community if you are happy to put money in under those conditions then fine, if not then don't invest.

Well said.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Come on

Is it all about seeing your club perform at the highest level? No, of course not. If that were the case, there'd be no point in supporting a small club, we might as well all support the biggest clubs. There's so much more supporting a local small club. A sense of togetherness, community, spirit, the stumbling journey shared, the highs and the lows, and the lows, and the lows. If you don't care about your team name or colours, you might as well change it all and move it to Milton Keynes.

I'd like to see us get promoted to the top division, but it's not the end of the world if we're not. I'm enjoying the journey wherever it leads. The problem with Tan and his changes, are that he doesn't seem to give a stuff about Cardiff. He just wants a club (any club will do) to sell to his market back home. And if he gets bored of doing that, or gets all the money he can out of it, he's off - and where will that leave the club? It looks like the club will be floated on the Singapore stock exchange - what will that mean for the club? It's all a bit worrying.

Surely the club is the important thing, You have a bond with that club as a supporter - it's still the same club, the same history, etc.... so what colour your team wears is a bit trivial isn't it? The club isn't suddenly something new is it and completely severed itself from its community base and relocated is it?

Fans have complained about the Albion since we moved to the Amex, that they feel less connected and therefore less important or involved than when we were at Withdean, Change can unsettle a supporter but in reality, it's something they get used to fairly quickly and move on as Cardiff fans will with the new shirt colour (especially if they are successful)

Shouldn't an owner try to get as much income as he can so it can be used to keep the club running (FFP ring any bells?) and by expanding Cardiffs appeal to a wider audience, it could well generate far more income for the future benefit of the club - Teams like Man U, Man City and others try to exploit the Asian market for financial gain, so why shouldn't Cardiff try?

As mentioned in the interview, he could turn the only debt the club has, (all owed to Tan) into equity just like Bloom could do with the money he invested in the infrastructure of the Albion, it's more unlikely to happen if the fans are against him and try to force him out though isn't it. What would happen if the fans suddenly turned on Bloom and wanted him out?

And weren't Man U or someone like that listed on the stock exchange during their most successful period in their history? - is being listed somewhere neccessarily a bad thing (it could mean a club has to be run properly otherwise shareholders could force changes)

 

[ozzygull]

Surely the club is the important thing, You have a bond with that club as a supporter - it's still the same club, the same history, etc.... so what colour your team wears is a bit trivial isn't it? The club isn't suddenly something new is it and completely severed itself from its community base and relocated is it?

Fans have complained about the Albion since we moved to the Amex, that they feel less connected and therefore less important or involved than when we were at Withdean, Change can unsettle a supporter but in reality, it's something they get used to fairly quickly and move on as Cardiff fans will with the new shirt colour (especially if they are successful)

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Cardiff_City/Cardiff_City.htm

I am not sure they will.

 

[seagull_in_malaysia]

It's all very well for now but what happens when they get bored of plunging their own money into the club? Unless you are spending in a sustainable fashion, somewhere down the line you run the risk of being taken over by a nutjob. It might not be the current guy but may be the next one.

I started this because someone suggested that Cardiff should be grateful for Tan's investment and I replied that I'd rather be in our position than theirs.

That's not a fair comparison. I'm sure many Cardiff fans would rather be in BHA's position with a fan as their sugar daddy but they were on the brink of bankruptcy and now are in a much better financial position. Given those two choices, I would opt for the better financial security (rather than have no club to support).

 

[Triggaaar]

Surely the club is the important thing, You have a bond with that club as a supporter - it's still the same club, the same history, etc.... so what colour your team wears is a bit trivial isn't it?

It's not just the colour though, with changing to a dragon it's the whole identity, and the reasoning behind it. It's like Cardiff belongs to Malaysia and her fans, not to local Cardiff fans.

Fans have complained about the Albion since we moved to the Amex, that they feel less connected and therefore less important or involved than when we were at Withdean

Yes, there are always some idiots.

Shouldn't an owner try to get as much income as he can so it can be used to keep the club running

No, definitely not. Increase revenue without losing what's important about the club. Following your suggestion, the club would move city if it meant more income. By all means exploit the Asian market. Also make the away strip red if you like etc. But he's overdone it in away that belittles the club's history.

What would happen if the fans suddenly turned on Bloom and wanted him out?

I'd kill them all.

And weren't Man U or someone like that listed on the stock exchange during their most successful period in their history? - is being listed somewhere neccessarily a bad thing (it could mean a club has to be run properly otherwise shareholders could force changes)

Perhaps. I'd feel more comfortable if it was a local stock market though.

 

[spring hall convert]

Shouldn't an owner try to get as much income as he can so it can be used to keep the club running (FFP ring any bells?) and by expanding Cardiffs appeal to a wider audience, it could well generate far more income for the future benefit of the club - Teams like Man U, Man City and others try to exploit the Asian market for financial gain, so why shouldn't Cardiff try?

So the Wimbledon fans should have supported MK Dons?

EDIT: That was a pretty rubbish posting. Apologies.

 

[Phat Baz 68]

Cardiff fans owe him an apology? Imagine if Tony Bloom carried on like that.

Don't really want the image of Tony Bloom being strung up by his nads and beaten with a leather cosh in my head (which by the way is what should of happened to Archer , Bellotti and the other morons in 1997) ***** !!!

But Tan, your right he is a ****ing loon of the highest calibre utter

 

[Stat Brother]

Just google image 'Cardiff City fans'.

That'll tell you all you need to know about how united the fans are against Tan.
Begging the question, 'why do people on here give a s**t, if they don't'?

Here's a flavour of what's to expect:-

v Huddersfield, last season


Back in the day, if you turned up at the Goldstone, with receding hair, glasses and a sanctimonious smile, you got your face stoved in. Then questions like, is that Bellotti?, were asked.

That lot are basically wearing 'I love you Vinnie' (Archer) shirts.