Vincent Tan is a nutjob.

[Easy 10]

He has Cardiff's best interests at heart no more than Bill Archer had ours. They both bought desperate clubs on the cheap and did what they liked with them. The only difference is that's Tan's pockets are a little deeper.

Not sure I'd entirely go along with that. Archer "invested" his £56.25p with a view to the prime piece of retail estate he was going to get his grubby little hands on after he'd ruined the club and sold the ground.

Tans investment is an ego trip, and CCFC is his plaything. Unlike Archer, he's not actively looking to destroy CCFC, he's in it for the reflected glory and publicity of owning a Premier League football club.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

That would seem to be the case, when we were there, a year ago.

The majority of Cardiff fans would appear to be anti-tan only when they lose.

I dont recall a massive fuss all the time they were storming the Championship, a few voices against the kit colour but not many.

 

[spring hall convert]

Not sure I'd entirely go along with that. Archer "invested" his £56.25p with a view to the prime piece of retail estate he was going to get his grubby little hands on after he'd ruined the club and sold the ground.

Tans investment is an ego trip, and CCFC is his plaything. Unlike Archer, he's not actively looking to destroy CCFC, he's in it for the reflected glory and publicity of owning a Premier League football club.

Has he got Cardiff City F.C's best interests at heart or his own? I know the manifestations are different but the motivations are exactly the same.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Which is kind of the point I'm banging on about with the finances of this club all the time. We can't allow ourselves to be put in the position Cardiff were put in when they had no choice other than to sell to this loon.

He has Cardiff's best interests at heart no more than Bill Archer had ours. They both bought desperate clubs on the cheap and did what they liked with them. The only difference is that's Tan's pockets are a little deeper.

How much did Archer invest in the playing side or in the facilities of the Albion when he was in charge? How much of his own personal fortune was used to prop up the failing business that was Brighton & Hove Albion?

How much of his own money has Vincent Tan put into Cardiff City? - How much to save the club from going bust and how much to build a squad for promotion to and then to try to stay in the premier league?
How likely is it if Tan was to quit tomorrow, he would get his investment back? - If very unlikely, why did he do it then?

Archer was trying to millk the Albion for every penny he could make out of its failure as a business, Tan is trying to bring some sucess to Cardiff, I fail to see the similarity

 

[spring hall convert]

How much did Archer invest in the playing side or in the facilities of the Albion when he was in charge? How much of his own personal fortune was used to prop up the failing business that was Brighton & Hove Albion?

How much of his own money has Vincent Tan put into Cardiff City? - How much to save the club from going bust and how much to build a squad for promotion to and then to try to stay in the premier league?
How likely is it if Tan was to quit tomorrow, he would get his investment back? - If very unlikely, why did he do it then?

Archer was trying to millk the Albion for every penny he could make out of its failure as a business, Tan is trying to bring some sucess to Cardiff, I fail to see the similarity

See post #43. Motivation not manifestation.

 

[ozzygull]

I wonder if Tan had been a life long supporter with links to the club but still had done the same as he has so far whether the would get so much stick from the fans?

Bloom vs Tan
prevented them from going bust - Yes / Yes
Pumped millions in to improve the squad - Yes / Yes
Changed the clubs badge - Yes / Yes
Sacked a popular (successful) manager - Yes / Yes
Achieved promotion to the top flight - No / Yes


Is it because Tan is foriegn that he is seen as bad for the club? - I wonder

Changed the clubs badge - Yes / Yes

Did Cardiff fans make a video asking to be changed from Blue to Red ?

 

[Iggle Piggle]

I wonder if Tan had been a life long supporter with links to the club but still had done the same as he has so far whether the would get so much stick from the fans?

Bloom vs Tan
prevented them from going bust - Yes / Yes
Pumped millions in to improve the squad - Yes / Yes
Changed the clubs badge - Yes / Yes
Sacked a popular (successful) manager - Yes / Yes
Achieved promotion to the top flight - No / Yes


Is it because Tan is foriegn that he is seen as bad for the club? - I wonder

You missed a few

Changed the Colour of the Teams shirts No / Yes
Said the Press is Racist No/Yes
Replaced the head of recruitment with somebody off the street No/Yes
Told the Fans to apologise no/Yes

 

[Guy Fawkes]

See post #43. Motivation not manifestation.

So you say his motivation is to asset strip Cardiff City FC just like Archers was?

Or are you questioning the fact that one person owns the majority share of a football club (90%) and therefore runs it as his own play thing rather than how some of the fans may want it run?

Bloom owns around 90% of the Albion, he runs it his way too (Burke & Barber would have been long gone if the 'vocal minority of our fans' had their way - so whats the difference?

 

[Marxo]

In Malaysia rich business men like Tan are treated with enormous respect verging on sycophancy whereas here we (mostly) have no special regard for someone like Richard Branson for instance. Tan obviously can't get his head around that.

 

[spring hall convert]

So you say his motivation is to asset strip Cardiff City FC just like Archers was?

Or are you questioning the fact that one person owns the majority share of a football club (90%) and therefore runs it as his own play thing rather than how some of the fans may want it run?

Bloom owns around 90% of the Albion, he runs it his way too (Burke & Barber would have been long gone if the 'vocal minority of our fans' had their way - so whats the difference?

No I'm saying he is 100% out for himself and couldn't give a toss about Cardiff. His motivation is personal gain (maybe not financial.)

The answer to the 2nd point is obvious. TB cares about a long term future for Brighton and Hove Albion. Tan cares only for profile and public glory. He has no attachment to Cardiff whatsoever. I don't want someone who doesn't give a toss about 10,20,50,100 years time running the Albion.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

In Malaysia rich business men like Tan are treated with enormous respect verging on sycophancy whereas here we (mostly) have no special regard for someone like Richard Branson for instance. Tan obviously can't get his head around that.

Or could it be that foriegn ownership is met with suspicion here in the Uk because football fans experiences have been soured by recent examples like the Pompey ownership / admiuni experiences of late?

Do Chelsea fans treat Abramovich with mistrust for saving their club?
Do Man city fans dislike their mega rich owners and think that they are using it as a play thing and don't care about their clubs supporters?

 

[Guy Fawkes]

No I'm saying he is 100% out for himself and couldn't give a toss about Cardiff. His motivation is personal gain (maybe not financial.)

The answer to the 2nd point is obvious. TB cares about a long term future for Brighton and Hove Albion. Tan cares only for profile and public glory. He has no attachment to Cardiff whatsoever. I don't want someone who doesn't give a toss about 10,20,50,100 years time running the Albion.

Since when has runing an unfashionable football club like Cardiff been a source of personal gain?

Did Abramovich have a personal attachment to CHelsea when he took over?

If they could go back in time to when Abramovich did take over, and had the chance to stop him from doing so because of his lack of connection to the club, would they stop him?

 

[spring hall convert]

Do Chelsea fans treat Abramovich with mistrust for saving their club?
Do Man city fans dislike their mega rich owners and think that they are using it as a play thing and don't care about their clubs supporters?

It's all very well for now but what happens when they get bored of plunging their own money into the club? Unless you are spending in a sustainable fashion, somewhere down the line you run the risk of being taken over by a nutjob. It might not be the current guy but may be the next one.

I started this because someone suggested that Cardiff should be grateful for Tan's investment and I replied that I'd rather be in our position than theirs.

 

[Triggaaar]

Or could it be that foriegn ownership is met with suspicion here in the Uk because football fans experiences have been soured by recent examples like the Pompey ownership / admiuni experiences of late?

Do Chelsea fans treat Abramovich with mistrust for saving their club?
Do Man city fans dislike their mega rich owners and think that they are using it as a play thing and don't care about their clubs supporters?

Did they change the teams colours or name? If Tan left them as the Bluebirds, I don't think there'd be a problem.

 

[Creaky]

If Tan's interest in Cardiff FC is selfish, whether that be self aggrandisement or ultimately a business decision, does that necessarily mean that Cardiff as a club won't benefit at the same time?

 

[Mackenzie]

I think I'd be a bit nervous if I was a Cardiff supporter right now. I can see him walking away, and taking whatever he can with him. A vanity project gone wrong.

 

[spring hall convert]

If Tan's interest in Cardiff FC is selfish, whether that be self aggrandisement or ultimately a business decision, does that necessarily mean that Cardiff as a club won't benefit at the same time?

They won't if he pisses off with them in the Championship with a ton of legacy PL contracts becuase he was only thinking about qualifying for the Champions League.

The appointment of the new manager was piss poor as well. He thought Solsjaer was a massive name because he probably saw him score in a CL final and thought loads of people would start supporting the club as a result.

He's selfish, clueless and deluded.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

It's all very well for now but what happens when they get bored of plunging their own money into the club? Unless you are spending in a sustainable fashion, somewhere down the line you run the risk of being taken over by a nutjob. It might not be the current guy but may be the next one.

I started this because someone suggested that Cardiff should be grateful for Tan's investment and I replied that I'd rather be in our position than theirs.

And there position before Tans investment was that they were going bust!

We are lucky to have bloom to prop us up, but without him we could have easily gone under. Had he not been around and the only option was, say a foreign owner like Tan, someone willing to pump millions into a club to bail them out and to help get them to the top flight or option 2, bankruptcy and a phoenix club - which do you think the vast majority of fans would choose?

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Did they change the teams colours or name? If Tan left them as the Bluebirds, I don't think there'd be a problem.

Isn't that a small price for the fans to pay for ther level of investment in the club - besides, in a few years time the fans would have got used to red and it will be a non issue

 

[atfc village]

Anyone who wears a Football shirt over anything long sleeved tucked into Trousers is frankly odd.