[TV] Viewpoint - Noel Clarke

[Harmyar]

Yes I totally agree. You either drop the programme or not.

The complexity of these of allegations for broadcasters is that they appear to have been made in part about conduct on the set of television productions. That maybe not "work" for us, but you are watching people at work even if they are acting.

Without drawing any conclusions or passing comment about what has happened or not, production companies have finally woken up to this.

For years dubious conduct within the industry by "talent" wasn't considered like that. In sat in a grey area between work and entertainment.

I don't now but I worked directly in (and then connected to) television production for a number years. To be clear, I never witnessed anything sexually aggressive but witnessed people acting like utter twats on a number of occasions.

Let's put it into context.

You are working in an office as a 20 something and an older and more senior colleague turns up completely rat arsed after a lunch time drinking session. As he walks in, his mobile rings and he takes the phone call standing in the door way.

He refuses to allow anyone to leave the office until his call has finished. When you try to get past him, he just moves his position. This goes on an hour.

When he finishes his call, he moves to one side and sarcastically sweeps his arm to inform those in the room they can now leave.

If that really happened in most offices, that person would be toast by the end of the day.

Unfortunately in a studio in the 90s (and not being in a position to make a complaint about a well known television presenter), I just let it go and made my excuses regarding where I should have been at that time.

Previous to that working on location, I started questioning the whole thing after being asked to pick up the cigarette butts left by the "talent" and director.

I must make it clear THINGS HAVE CHANGED massively with all sorts of rules and regulations in place.

However, when and if something happens (even if alleged) the production companies act very very quickly.

Nothing to do with political correctness at all. Just an acknowledgement of what was allowed to happen before. Bullying, exploitation, low pay etc.. all part of the dark side of the industry.

Ive just read the Guardian article, and completely retract what I said earlier,you're totally right, I was wrong, reading the artice he sounds like a disgusting piece of work

 

[Hugo Rune]

Ive just read the Guardian article, and completely retract what I said earlier,you're totally right, I was wrong, reading the artice he sounds like a disgusting piece of work

Agreed. You have to read the article for context. There are things he has admitted to, bad things. Another interesting bit was the ‘ring round’ himself and his business partner conducted as they tried to find the complainers and put them off talking to the Guardian.

As Lenny said, innocent until proven guilty with a single complaint or maybe two but with 20 people making claims about your behaviour; anyone or organisation with any business/awards/publicity relationship with him needs to suspend (not cancel) that straight away whilst due process takes place. I notice his management dropped him pretty quickly. If only the same thing had happened to Leeds nonce Saville.

 

[Harmyar]

Agreed. You have to read the article for context. There are things he has admitted to, bad things. Another interesting bit was the ‘ring round’ himself and his business partner conducted as they tried to find the complainers and put them off talking to the Guardian.

As Lenny said, innocent until proven guilty with a single complaint or maybe two but with 20 people making claims about your behaviour; anyone or organisation with any business/awards/publicity relationship with him needs to suspend (not cancel) that straight away whilst due process takes place. I notice his management dropped him pretty quickly. If only the same thing had happened to Leeds nonce Saville.

Agree totally.

 

[Recidivist]

Yes I totally agree. You either drop the programme or not.

The complexity of these of allegations for broadcasters is that they appear to have been made in part about conduct on the set of television productions. That maybe not "work" for us, but you are watching people at work even if they are acting.

Without drawing any conclusions or passing comment about what has happened or not, production companies have finally woken up to this.

For years dubious conduct within the industry by "talent" wasn't considered like that. In sat in a grey area between work and entertainment.

I don't now but I worked directly in (and then connected to) television production for a number years. To be clear, I never witnessed anything sexually aggressive but witnessed people acting like utter twats on a number of occasions.

Let's put it into context.

You are working in an office as a 20 something and an older and more senior colleague turns up completely rat arsed after a lunch time drinking session. As he walks in, his mobile rings and he takes the phone call standing in the door way.

He refuses to allow anyone to leave the office until his call has finished. When you try to get past him, he just moves his position. This goes on an hour.

When he finishes his call, he moves to one side and sarcastically sweeps his arm to inform those in the room they can now leave.

If that really happened in most offices, that person would be toast by the end of the day.

Unfortunately in a studio in the 90s (and not being in a position to make a complaint about a well known television presenter), I just let it go and made my excuses regarding where I should have been at that time.

Previous to that working on location, I started questioning the whole thing after being asked to pick up the cigarette butts left by the "talent" and director.

I must make it clear THINGS HAVE CHANGED massively with all sorts of rules and regulations in place.

However, when and if something happens (even if alleged) the production companies act very very quickly.

Nothing to do with political correctness at all. Just an acknowledgement of what was allowed to happen before. Bullying, exploitation, low pay etc.. all part of the dark side of the industry.

Blimey!

I thought some of my former co-workers were prima donnas but your example certainly tops my experiences of bad behaviour at work.

Hope you’ve found a more worker-friendly industry to work in?!

Haven’t read the Guardian article and NC’s reaction does seem to suggest some truth in the allegations.

No doubt there will be a police investigation now so all will be revealed eventually.

Ironically (?) I’ve seen very little of NC’s work in the past and, although I’m enjoying Viewpoint, think his acting is rather wooden but will watch the final episode on ITV hub anyway....


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[Official Old Man]

Great series so to watch or not to watch the final episode? For info purposes only, it's available on the itv hub but only until Sunday.

 

[Justice]

More women coming forward

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I’m not sure I understand either of those sentences Harry.
I just said the programme shouldn’t have been pulled because he hasn’t been convicted of anything and that we enjoyed the show. Not intended to be flippant. Why are you defending this bloke from an imagined attack by me ?

Apologies. It seemed very flippant on first read. I can see now it wasn't meant.

Edit: Bloke may have done some career ending things. Also, he may not, but the accusations may well make it career ending either way. So it has struck me as tasteless (to say the least) that numerous posters seem to be focused primarily on worring about when they will be able to watch an episode of a TV programme. Perhaps I'm being too . . .something. Not sure what..

 

[Prince Monolulu]

Apologies. It seemed very flippant on first read. I can see now it wasn't.

Things always seem clearer in the morning, free of Scotch.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Things always seem clearer in the morning, free of Scotch.

I was sober. That was probably my first mistake.

 

[Danny Wilson Said]

There are far too many inconsistencies here. Surely the principle of "Innocent until proven guilty" applies, if you believe in it, now matter how many accusations are made.

And what, really, is the difference between broadcasting the final episode and putting it up on the ITV hub? Virtue-signalling on the one hand but still putting your product out there?

 

[Dick Swiveller]

There are far too many inconsistencies here. Surely the principle of "Innocent until proven guilty" applies, if you believe in it, now matter how many accusations are made.

What are your views on Jimmy Savile? He has NEVER been charged, let alone convicted of any of the allegations that have been made. Given he is dead, do you want Jim'll Fix It repeats on Ad-infinitum?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Apologies. It seemed very flippant on first read. I can see now it wasn't meant.

Edit: Bloke may have done some career ending things. Also, he may not, but the accusations may well make it career ending either way. So it has struck me as tasteless (to say the least) that numerous posters seem to be focused primarily on worring about when they will be able to watch an episode of a TV programme. Perhaps I'm being too . . .something. Not sure what..

No worries. As something of a counter argument it could be said that there are some decent acting performances from others on the programme and it’s a shame that their efforts are dragged down by all of this. Likewise, the whole concept with its similarity to Rear Window is very well written and produced. If this fella is guilty it’s just a shame that it couldn’t have been dealt with in such a way that affects his future bookings rather than tainting the hard work of everyone else and our enjoyment of a good ITV drama.

 

[Danny Wilson Said]

What are your views on Jimmy Savile? He has NEVER been charged, let alone convicted of any of the allegations that have been made. Given he is dead, do you want Jim'll Fix It repeats on Ad-infinitum?

If you read my post with more care you'll see that I was objecting to people saying that the 'innocent until proven guilty' principle applies if it there were only a couple of accusations but if there were 20+ accusations he must therefore be a wrong 'un. Surely a principle if you believe in it (another part of my post that you ignore) applies across the board?

On a distantly related subject, Philip Oakey of the Human League has complained that they are rarely seen on Top of the Pops re-runs because they had the bad luck to be introduced by Savile on most of their appearances.

 

[clapham_gull]

Hope you’ve found a more worker-friendly industry to work in?!

No same industry. It still has a problem with bullying.

Unfortunately many will quite happily "ignore" bad behaviour because the victims are peers and that's another competitor out the way.

It's incredibly incredibly difficult to speak out and those who have are incredibly brave.

I suspect a few dinosaurs on here don't understand why people don't speak out for years or accuse those who do of trying to make a few bob.

You don't do that going to the Guardian. They don't pay their sources.

For the record I thought the original post regarding the volume of complaints being a measure of guilt absolutely appalling. No wonder no-one speaks out.

 

[Harmyar]

I was sober. That was probably my first mistake.

I'm still struggling with how you managed to shoehorn a racist angle into the thread when there had been no mention of race whatsoever.

 

[Chicken Run]

I'm still struggling with how you managed to shoehorn a racist angle into the thread when there had been no mention of race whatsoever.

I’m not…


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[Horses Arse]

Was speaking to someone that has socialised with him on a number of occasions. No surprise at the allegations from him.

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[Prince Monolulu]

Wanna come in my Tardis?

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