I know what you mean but in cases where it's obvious someone is 10 yards offside it seems utterly pointless to allow play to continue. Of course, it'd complicate things further if linos were advised they could flag if it was "obvious."
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[Football] VAR at the Euros
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I know what you mean but in cases where it's obvious someone is 10 yards offside it seems utterly pointless to allow play to continue. Of course, it'd complicate things further if linos were advised they could flag if it was "obvious."
With everything that AI can do already, I wonder how far we are away from technology that would give an instant offside decision, that would make the linesman's flag vibrate or something, telling him to put it up, like with goal line technology. Assume you'd need chips in players boots etc, but is that kind of thing that far away? It would be fantastic, knowing the decision was always right, but with no delay at all. Surely it is possible?
There you go. That's the answer.
Although it will feel odd hurling abuse at a machine.
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Interesting idea but surely not practical since you can be offside with any part of a player’s anatomy that can legitimately score a goal, which presumably implies they’d have to wear some sort of suit with sensors all over their body?
Might lead to some interesting fashion statements on the pitch though!?
I’ve always felt the way forward would be to change the rules so it’s only the position of the players feet that determines offside which would make your suggestion viable…..
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I imagine it would take some tweaking of the rules for it to work properly. But it’s probably the future, at some point.
I would like to see a light projected from stadia roof to show the spot where the ball goes out of play: throw in from that place or a yellow card!
I'd also like to see players carded if they don't retreat 10 yards immediately for a free kick. All this preventing a quick free kick does my head in. What are the rule makers afraid of... sakes
I'd also like to see players carded if they don't retreat 10 yards immediately for a free kick. All this preventing a quick free kick does my head in. What are the rule makers afraid of... sakes
Neither would improve the game in any way.
southstandandy
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Definitely used less so far in the Euro's (apparently VAR checks so far average out at 5 per game in first round of fixtures - including for goals) compared to an average of 12 per match in the Prem last season.
Seems that we just like to scrutinize more situations at home.
Seems that we just like to scrutinize more situations at home.
Machiavelli
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True, but the offside rule would work much better in my view if the rule was changed such that the decisive factor is the position of the players' feet rather than the whole anatomy.
Would certainly simplify things a lot. But then you might see defenders doing odd things like jumping forward as they see a pass about to be played, but in such a way that as soon as their feet land they're positioned to rush back towards their own goal. Time it right, win the offside call, time it wrong you're at least then positioned to go haring after ball and player. They don't do it currently as shaping their posture to be ready to rush back will put their heads / upper body in a position to play an attacker onside.
Instead of what we mostly see today with off side checks where the defenders are mostly in an upright posture and lines drawn again feet / knee / hip / armpit (
) are more less in the same place, while an attacker is normally pinged for knee / head / armpit because they're leaning forwards and feet are furthest back, you'll end up with both attacker and defender in that leaned-towards-goal posture. Attacker because it's the natural posture for their direction of travel, defender because they're deliberately advancing their feet forward but ready to pivot back to cover if the attack avoid the off side trap.
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Would certainly simplify things a lot. But then you might see defenders doing odd things like jumping forward as they see a pass about to be played, but in such a way that as soon as their feet land they're positioned to rush back towards their own goal. Time it right, win the offside call, time it wrong you're at least then positioned to go haring after ball and player. They don't do it currently as shaping their posture to be ready to rush back will put their heads / upper body in a position to play an attacker onside.
Instead of what we mostly see today with off side checks where the defenders are mostly in an upright posture and lines drawn again feet / knee / hip / armpit (
Think it would be a pretty remarkable defender to be able to position their body as you suggest in the heat of a constantly flowing match.
The best that most can manage is to move in a line with their other defenders to trap attackers offside.
The whole point of offside is not to allow attackers an advantage by hanging around well ahead of the defensive line.
If their feet are in line with or behind the defenders then any “advantage” can only be minimal at best and, since most goals are scored with the feet, it seems a very reasonable test to me and avoids this ridiculous drawing of lines all over the body to determine whether their nose is fractionally offside!
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Would certainly simplify things a lot. But then you might see defenders doing odd things like jumping forward as they see a pass about to be played, but in such a way that as soon as their feet land they're positioned to rush back towards their own goal. Time it right, win the offside call, time it wrong you're at least then positioned to go haring after ball and player. They don't do it currently as shaping their posture to be ready to rush back will put their heads / upper body in a position to play an attacker onside.
Instead of what we mostly see today with off side checks where the defenders are mostly in an upright posture and lines drawn again feet / knee / hip / armpit (
Simple attackers feet to any part of the defenders body
Agree Much better and black and white to understand like in tennis and cricket. Line to belong to attacker and any part of foot touching line onside. Then doesnt matter where head hand etc are
Yeah, agree with all that. Was just wondering aloud (well, in writing) whether we might see some defenders/teams try to find a way to spring an offside trap that a feet-only rule change would make more difficult to spring with their current techniques.
Machiavelli
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First shocker. Dreadful decision to review. Dreadful decision to award penalty.
albionfan37
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Never a pen very harsh reversal
Razzoo
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Thirded, never a penalty
Yep, first 'clear and obvious error' - by the VAR.
Think the reffing - and the VAR-ing - has been very good, particularly with regard to 50/50s and tackling. Somebody recently said that Messi couldn't do it in the PL because he wouldn't get the protection he gets in Spain - I don't know about Spain, but in my view referees in England are far more 'protective' (aka Fussy, or 'look at me, I'm refereeing this game, you know') in England you only have to feel the slightest contact (or even anticipate it) you only have to hurl yourself to the ground and scweam and scweam to get a free kick - in the Euros the refs appear to have the attitude, get up and get on with it, you both just happened to be trying to be in the same space at the same time, how did you think that was going to pan out? Ling may it continue!
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