[Football] VAR at the Euros

[rippleman]

The standard of officiating in the games I have watched has been superb. Not blowing every ten seconds for innocuous contact, ignoring pleading, grizzling players and most of all, virtually no VAR. I can only recall one "too long" VAR review in the comp so far.

So maybe it wasn't VAR that was the problem. Just maybe it is our bunch of incompetent, largely unfit primadonas that we are lumbered with in the EPL.

Brilliant for the tournament but you can bet your bottom that we will be back to the same old crap with the same crap officials as soon as next season starts.

How about a transfer market for top level officials?

 

[vagabond]

Perhaps Mike Dean and his mates can take note of the UEFA officiating on the pitch and VAR off the pitch so far.

I’ve actually found the officiating to be of a far higher level then what we see week in week out in the Premier League. Granted, we (Albion) have been on the end of some disgusting decisions this past season.. but the Euros so far the play has been smooth and we have barely noted the refs.

Again take note Mike Dean and co. It’s not about you. We shouldn’t even notice you are there.

 

[Wardy's twin]

I often wonder if the VAR decisions are deliberate to add drama which boosts TV audiences ....

 

[zefarelly]

I often wonder if the VAR decisions are deliberate to add drama which boosts TV audiences ....

Entirely plausible . . . dumb it down ITV style.

 

[Giraffe]

I'm very anti VAR and want it binned, but I must admit I was thinking the same.

That said, we have only had 10 games. That's a typical Premier League weekend. Let's wait for the end of the tournament to decide whether it has been operated successfully.

 

[Stat Brother]

How long has VAR held this game up for - 30 seconds? Certainly less than a minute.

How long it it were a Premier League match?

 

[GT49er]

It's what I've been saying all along - and what English refs and the PGMOL just don't or won't get - it has to be a clear and obvious error. It's the error that must be clear and obvious, not the decision.

If it's a Marginal call (and we all know the expressions - "Ooooh, that was close" - "would have been very harsh" - "well, I've seen them given") then the referee has to make the decision. If it's 50/50 one way or the other, then that's what the referee's job is - to use his/her common sense, the evidence of his/her eyes and their knowledge of the laws of the game, and then decide.

If they've made an obvious howler - the sort of thing that nearly everybody in the stands has seen, bur somehow the ref missed it (and that can happen - no-one has eyes in the back of their head), then - and only then - VAR should be used. Perhaps if UEFA re-worded the instructions to 'Clear and Obvious howler then that might get through PGMOL's thick heads!

That seems to work perfectly well outside England!

 

[Invicta]

How long has VAR held this game up for - 30 seconds? Certainly less than a minute.

How long it it were a Premier League match?

It's how VAR should be, there in the background sorting out a few key decisions. Not involved every 5 mins!

 

[Quinney]

It's how VAR should be, there in the background sorting out a few key decisions. Not involved every 5 mins!

Exactly. We are clearly doing something wrong and need those in charge to realise before next season kicks off.


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[ShandyH]

I think it’s been generally quicker and better.

But Ronaldo’s second goal was clearly (in my view) offside and wasn’t called back.

Because it goes back to UEFA, I would say it’s open to conflicts of interest. You can almost imagine an earpiece hearing “just leave it. It’s front page news.” So this needs to be transparent or you’re back to decisions in the European Cup from what, in hindsight, look like corrupt officials back in the 70s and 80s. England won’t do well out of this.

The referees are so, so much better than the PL referees.


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[Quinney]

I think it’s been generally quicker and better.

But Ronaldo’s second goal was clearly (in my view) offside and wasn’t called back.

Because it goes back to UEFA, I would say it’s open to conflicts of interest. You can almost imagine an earpiece hearing “just leave it. It’s front page news.” So this needs to be transparent or you’re back to decisions in the European Cup from what, in hindsight, look like corrupt officials back in the 70s and 80s. England won’t do well out of this.

The referees are so, so much better than the PL referees.


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I must say it looked well off side and was surprised not to see the usual still shot with obligatory lines drawn on.


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[Bodian]

I think it’s been generally quicker and better.

But Ronaldo’s second goal was clearly (in my view) offside and wasn’t called back.

Because it goes back to UEFA, I would say it’s open to conflicts of interest. You can almost imagine an earpiece hearing “just leave it. It’s front page news.” So this needs to be transparent or you’re back to decisions in the European Cup from what, in hindsight, look like corrupt officials back in the 70s and 80s. England won’t do well out of this.

The referees are so, so much better than the PL referees.


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I must say it looked well off side and was surprised not to see the usual still shot with obligatory lines drawn on.


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Just after ball released by passer - man in the middle playing him onside.

 

[Quinney]

Just after ball released by passer - man in the middle playing him onside.

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[ShandyH]

Just after ball released by passer - man in the middle playing him onside.

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Indeed. Thanks for taking the time. Bang goes my conspiracy theory!

Think it needs to be relayed and explained better. It’s much more fluid and unobtrusive than the PL though.


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[vagabond]

Gary agrees with NSC

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[Brovion]

I've only dipped in and out of this tournament and haven't watched a whole game, but the France game last night had a moment that summed up why I've largely given up watching top-level football.

France were 1-0 up and they scored a second. The player wheeled away in celebration, only for the linesman's flag to go up. There was no way he was offside, but when they replayed it it showed that during the build up, yes, a player (not sure if it was the bloke who scored) was offside when he received the ball. It wasn't the pass that led directly to the goal, but it wouldn't have been scored otherwise.

Why didn't the linesman flag as soon as he saw it was offside? It was quite clear, it wasn't one of those 'toenail' ones. I'm guessing it's because he might have been wrong and thus would have denied France a goal, so they wait and see what happens, a goal is scored and then they check. It's arse about face, and for me it's still ruining the game. I'd still rather have extremely competent match officials doing their very best and accept that occasionally they'll get it wrong, and yes I appreciate that others don't feel the same. Anyway I promptly turned over and watched some nature programme.

 

[amexer]

I've only dipped in and out of this tournament and haven't watched a whole game, but the France game last night had a moment that summed up why I've largely given up watching top-level football.

France were 1-0 up and they scored a second. The player wheeled away in celebration, only for the linesman's flag to go up. There was no way he was offside, but when they replayed it it showed that during the build up, yes, a player (not sure if it was the bloke who scored) was offside when he received the ball. It wasn't the pass that led directly to the goal, but it wouldn't have been scored otherwise.

Why didn't the linesman flag as soon as he saw it was offside? It was quite clear, it wasn't one of those 'toenail' ones. I'm guessing it's because he might have been wrong and thus would have denied France a goal, so they wait and see what happens, a goal is scored and then they check. It's arse about face, and for me it's still ruining the game. I'd still rather have extremely competent match officials doing their very best and accept that occasionally they'll get it wrong, and yes I appreciate that others don't feel the same. Anyway I promptly turned over and watched some nature programme.

I saw that and although right decision thought why didnt he put flag up earlier. Much better for game if they do. In this case there would not have been a goal to disallow as ref would have blown before.

 

[Bakero]

I've only dipped in and out of this tournament and haven't watched a whole game, but the France game last night had a moment that summed up why I've largely given up watching top-level football.

France were 1-0 up and they scored a second. The player wheeled away in celebration, only for the linesman's flag to go up. There was no way he was offside, but when they replayed it it showed that during the build up, yes, a player (not sure if it was the bloke who scored) was offside when he received the ball. It wasn't the pass that led directly to the goal, but it wouldn't have been scored otherwise.

Why didn't the linesman flag as soon as he saw it was offside? It was quite clear, it wasn't one of those 'toenail' ones. I'm guessing it's because he might have been wrong and thus would have denied France a goal, so they wait and see what happens, a goal is scored and then they check. It's arse about face, and for me it's still ruining the game. I'd still rather have extremely competent match officials doing their very best and accept that occasionally they'll get it wrong, and yes I appreciate that others don't feel the same. Anyway I promptly turned over and watched some nature programme.

Assistant refs have been instructed to keep their flags down until the passage of play is complete. They've been doing the same in the PL all year.

The idea is to not stop play during the build up. If it leads to a goal and subsequently the flag goes up it can be checked by VAR.

Aside from the frustration of ruled out goals, the obvious downside is potential injuries occuring in a passage of play that should have been stopped due to an offside, as happened in a Wolves game when Coady collided with Patricio.

 

[Brovion]

Assistant refs have been instructed to keep their flags down until the passage of play is complete. They've been doing the same in the PL all year.

The idea is to not stop play during the build up. If it leads to a goal and subsequently the flag goes up it can be checked by VAR.

Aside from the frustration of ruled out goals, the obvious downside is potential injuries occuring in a passage of play that should have been stopped due to an offside, as happened in a Wolves game when Coady collided with Patricio.

Yeah, I guessed it was the infamous 'late flag' rule, but jeez, how long do you delay? What if a German player had stopped the move but then mis-kicked?.

My solution is they should go back to the old rule. The lino flags for offside like in proper football, the ref blows up so the game stops. Then they go to VAR and if it wasn't offside then play restarts with everybody in the same positions they were in when the ref blew up. (A bit like the 'miss' rule in snooker where they put the balls back in the same position before the shot was played).

Yes, that's a bollocks idea as well but frankly I don't think it's any worse than the current one.

 

[Swansman]

Assistant refs have been instructed to keep their flags down until the passage of play is complete. They've been doing the same in the PL all year.

The idea is to not stop play during the build up. If it leads to a goal and subsequently the flag goes up it can be checked by VAR.

Aside from the frustration of ruled out goals, the obvious downside is potential injuries occuring in a passage of play that should have been stopped due to an offside, as happened in a Wolves game when Coady collided with Patricio.

I dont really get this argument. Yes a few seconds more of open play leads to a few seconds more where someone could be injured but thats football. I rarely see someone complain about the advantage rule because it could result in more injuries.