US election (merged threads)

[Leekbrookgull]

I'm watching the US election run in at work mind you, and I cannot believe what I'm hearing.
Normal folk being interviewed and giving there praise to the flip top headed buffoon, that is Trump.
I bet there'll be raise in mental conditions, given when they all find out what they've done in voting.
I accept that HC is no angel, but far less of a buffoon.

Normal folk ?

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

Groveling appologies required by those outspoken detractors who recklessly nailed their colours to the mast. They include Westminster, the Regions, the Establishment, and all the Media. They haven't learned a thing over recent British elections!

We now have to find a path to a smooth relationship with the new president of our best friends and soul mates. I hope Trump is more conciliatory than you lot?

172 x posts in 21 months and that's the best you can come up with - have you been in prison or suffering from mad cows disease

 

[Theatre of Trees]

The staggering statistic for me is that so many Democrat voters stayed at home. I think there was 18m less votes cast in this election than in 2012 where Mitt Romney got 60.9m votes and lost by 5m votes whereas in 2016 Trump has 58.1m and neck and neck with HRC in terms of popular vote.

It's hard to believe that there are Democrat voters out there who supported Obama but couldn't bring themselves to vote for HRC despite such a clearly divisive opponent. Either they got complacent because of the media telling them that Trump could not win or they simply don't like HRC. It goes to show that if the Democrats had picked Joe Biden or even Sanders then they would probably have won handsomely.

Depends also which state they resided in, Democrat voters living in a state that is solid Republican often don't bother because they know their vote won't count.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

There are a few worried leaders in the EU now. This is twice that the people have dared to speak out with their votes.

Goodbye,Merkel,Junker,Hollande. Welcome Putin

 

[goldstone]

What happens when democracy morphs into Idiotocracy

So what exactly qualifies you to declare a majority of the British and American electorates to be idiots?

 

[Leekbrookgull]

I don't think it was the media telling them that Trump couldn't win - most of the polls in the past week had a very narrow lead for Clinton (with one indicating a Trump win) but there was almost visceral hatred of HRC, In polls around the time of the Democrat Convention, Sanders was ahead of Trump by 12 to 15% while Clinton was ahead by about 4 or 5%. Trump would not have been able to accuse Sanders of a) being untrustworthy or b) part of the Washington elite - it's interesting to speculate what tactics he'd have used

Solid point. Very Solid.

 

[pb21]

Do you really expect her to say " I can't believe he won, the blokes a tosser" ? Of course you don't she's the prime minister and he's the president elect , Corbin was pretty non committal when he was interviewed as well, did you miss that one ?

I did hear Corbyn's words and Merkel's too, I'm surprised you can't spot the differences!

 

[El Presidente]

Actually, him not seeing out the full 4 years could well be a shrewd bet whether it's impeachment or him resigning for whatever reason. He's 70 years old and his new job may have lots of perks but it comes with untold stresses and long hours.

If I was 70 and had a wife who looked like his I know what would be getting my full attention, and it wouldn't be legislative amendments.

#LockerRoomTalk

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

As mentioned in the merged thread covering Brexit, Mrs May has become adept at not answering straight questions, a beauty I heard on the radio today.

Reporter: " Mrs May how do you feel about Donald Trump being elected the next president ? :

Mrs May " I congratulate him on being elected and look forward to working with him on maintaining and building the special relationship with the American people "

Reporter : " During the election campaign Donald Trump said some rather derogatory things about women, how do you feel about what he said ?"

Mrs. May " Er,I congratulate him on being elected and look forward to working with him on maintaining and building the special relationship with the American people "

Priceless !

Theresa May used diplomatic language as befits her office. Shooting from the hip with abuse would be the Trump way. Is that what you would prefer ?

 

[Buzzer]

Depends also which state they resided in, Democrat voters living in a state that is solid Republican often don't bother because they know their vote won't count.

I'll be honest here and say that I thought that Clinton would win and by a huge margin because so many Republican voters couldn't support Trump. Although Gary Johnson had a huge rise in his share of the vote I thought it would be even higher with those Republicans switching to him. Consequently, I didn't think many Republican states would stay so solidly that way. And by the looks of it, the swing from Dem to Rep in the Rust Belt states was a hugely significant factor in Trump winning.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

As a non-American I'd have voted for Clinton; if I was an American I'd have been an evil Trump voter.

So I can't really complain.

 

[clapham_gull]

I'll be honest here and say that I thought that Clinton would win and by a huge margin because so many Republican voters couldn't support Trump. Although Gary Johnson had a huge rise in his share of the vote I thought it would be even higher with those Republicans switching to him. Consequently, I didn't think many Republican states would stay so solidly that way. And by the looks of it, the swing from Dem to Rep in the Rust Belt states was a hugely significant factor in Trump winning.

Portillo and the Labour MP on This Week last week absolutely called it. It was then I thought mmmm.....

We talk about the "political elite" but I'm not sure it really exists in this country any more. But look at the USA - In living memory it's been dominated by three families.

Nigella Lawson sensibly opted out.

You have to take a deep breath and think how the hell did Clinton get near the chance to be President. If she was an MP in the UK, would have been forced to resign and would be long gone irrespective of whether she had committed a crime.

It's very much two fingers (or one).

If we cab be slightly thankful to our modern politics in the UK you are gone over a mild lie on a mortgage application. Albeit you can start wars etc.. but you get the point.

 

[Buzzer]

I don't think it was the media telling them that Trump couldn't win - most of the polls in the past week had a very narrow lead for Clinton (with one indicating a Trump win) but there was almost visceral hatred of HRC, In polls around the time of the Democrat Convention, Sanders was ahead of Trump by 12 to 15% while Clinton was ahead by about 4 or 5%. Trump would not have been able to accuse Sanders of a) being untrustworthy or b) part of the Washington elite - it's interesting to speculate what tactics he'd have used

You're spot on about Sanders having very little dirt on him or bringing significant baggage. I suspect that the Trump team would have made a big play on Sanders claim of being a socialist even though outside of America he's more like a Lib Dem than what we would think of as a socialist. Sanders would probably have had less financial backing than Trump but that's not necessarily a bad thing and if his campaign in the Primaries was anything to go by, he would have had a grass roots campaign unlike any other.

 

[The Rivet]

I have so enjoyed some of the angst on this thread today. Keep it up, highly amusing.

 

[vegster]

Do you really expect her to say " I can't believe he won, the blokes a tosser" ? Of course you don't she's the prime minister and he's the president elect , Corbin was pretty non committal when he was interviewed as well, did you miss that one ?

Corbin actually said that " Donald Trump ran a divisive and hateful campaign. ". You obviously missed that.

 

[pb21]

Theresa May used diplomatic language as befits her office. Shooting from the hip with abuse would be the Trump way. Is that what you would prefer ?

Germany and America are connected by values of democracy, freedom, and respect for the law and the dignity of man, independent of origin, skin colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or political views.

I offer the next President of the United States close cooperation on the basis of these values.

Spot the difference?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

As mentioned in the merged thread covering Brexit, Mrs May has become adept at not answering straight questions, a beauty I heard on the radio today.

Reporter: " Mrs May how do you feel about Donald Trump being elected the next president ? :

Mrs May " I congratulate him on being elected and look forward to working with him on maintaining and building the special relationship with the American people "

Reporter : " During the election campaign Donald Trump said some rather derogatory things about women, how do you feel about what he said ?"

Mrs. May " Er,I congratulate him on being elected and look forward to working with him on maintaining and building the special relationship with the American people "

Priceless !

I'm no fan of May, but that seems a very pragmatic approach. I've a hunch Trump isn't immune to bearing a grudge so best be diplomatic on day 1.

 

[vegster]

Theresa May used diplomatic language as befits her office. Shooting from the hip with abuse would be the Trump way. Is that what you would prefer ?

I was expecting her to say something along the lines of " I've got a state of the art chastity belt and chain mail in the cupboard, I'm not duly worried "

 

[Buzzer]

Goodbye,Merkel,Junker,Hollande. Welcome Putin

The next big shock in world politics will probably be the re-run of the Austrian Presidential elections next month where it looks very likely that the far-right will win and we will have our first out and out far right leader of a Western country since Franco. And then after that there is France and Le Pen. Yikes!

 

[smeg]

So what exactly qualifies you to declare a majority of the British and American electorates to be idiots?

George Carlin said something that made me take notice: “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”