Upper Beeding cement works site an alternative to Falmer?

[Lord Bracknell]

Reluctant as I am to add to this discussion, I have three comments to make:-

Prescott is not being asked to suggest a site. He is asked to rule on the planning applications that have been made by the Albion. He will say "YES" or "NO" and give his reasons.

The 'eight mile' issue is not a planning consideration. It is a requirement of the football authorities. It also reflects the Club's wish to continue to be identified with the community that shares its name.

Perseus (and others) talk about railway infrastructure (eg a new station at Pende or the reopening on the line to Beeding) as if these are things that would be paid for by the railway industry. They are not. They would have to be paid for by the football club. The reason that Arsenal's new ground is so expensive is because Arsenal FC are paying for new facilities on the London Underground system. Required improvements to road access are also paid for by the football club.

 

[zefarelly]

Perseus (and others) talk about railway infrastructure (eg a new station at Pende or the reopening on the line to Beeding) as if these are things that would be paid for by the railway industry. They are not. They would have to be paid for by the football club. The reason that Arsenal's new ground is so expensive is because Arsenal FC are paying for new facilities on the London Underground system. Required improvements to road access are also paid for by the football club. [/B][/QUOTE]

Lord B . . .surely some upgrading and or new additions to public access can and would be either sponsored or backed by business and/or the rail network . . .its in their opwn interest, in the case of Falmer as an example, the station would need better footpaths for example to get to and from the site, or even Pende for that matter would need a platform, and access walkways, its not exactly rocket science

 

[perseus]

I think with a railway station the rail authorities will not build one full stop unless a certain number of customers get off and on. I think this might be in the region of 750,000 a year.

This is why they will not build one at Waterhall. A football club, even a Premier League like Bolton would not support a railway station on its own. Who paid for the Bolton railway station (if it has been built)?

There is no getting around this. This why it is quite understandable why Falmer was always preferred and just one of many reasons why Waterhall could never work. (There are a lot of other reasons as well.)

This is why Falmer was chosen because the ground has got to have a railway station.

As for Beeding "hole in the ground with asbestos" it is just a joke suggestion. Type of place that the Japanese built their stadia for the World Cup and now they are too far out on a limb that people will not go to them.

Falmer remains a clear front runner. That is a fact as well, because it is political reality. At least I think it is because I have not heard any hard rumours to the contrary.

 

[On the Left Wing]

There's always that three-quarter empty stadium in Milton Keynes .... it's already built and I reckon with a good bid it could be ours!

 

[zefarelly]

There's always that three-quarter empty stadium in Milton Keynes .... it's already built and I reckon with a good bid it could be ours!

you'd need a special wide load lisence to get it down to the Sussex coast though

I fail to see why the train issue is so important . . . .the Goldstone was betwixt two station but not directly attached to either . . . .the trains are so bloody unreliable that you have every chance of missing the first half anyway, and at least 60% of people will walk/drive/cycle

 

[On the Left Wing]

you'd need a special wide load lisence to get it down to the Sussex coast though

I fail to see why the train issue is so important . . . .the Goldstone was betwixt two station but not directly attached to either . . . .the trains are so bloody unreliable that you have every chance of missing the first half anyway, and at least 60% of people will walk/drive/cycle

I think the train issue is important because the lack of railway station would create undue road transport, access and parking problems, which probably would stymie any planning application.

 

[Scoffers]

Don't bother Lord B, folks read, but don't digest

 

[perseus]

I expect the train and bus figures are available for Withdean. And for the Falmer Public Inquiry. As 65% people go to work by train in Sussex (although this is less in Brighton) I would have thought that if the Government policy is to to get it the figures down, they would be better concentrating on "travel to work" and that the number of people going to football matches in is not important policy-wise.

I think they ought to be well satisfied if 50% of the supporters go by train or bus. Travel to work for people living in Sussex is 6% by train and 5% by bus. 3& of people cycle to work. (1991 figures).

I think the poor parking at the Goldstone was contributory to the fall of in attendances in the eighties.

I do not like punative transport premium like we have at Withdean. By all means make a premium charge on car parking. Whose coffers will the limited parking at Falmer go into?

Derby are right by a railway line and they have not got a station. Apparently, the ground is a bit of a nightmare parking-wise as is Sunderlands.

And as for Cardiff ....... drive to Swansea and get the train in?

 

[On the Left Wing]

Derby are right by a railway line and they have not got a station. Apparently, the ground is a bit of a nightmare parking-wise as is Sunderlands.

Sunderland's Stadium of Shite actually has superb parking - most match days the car parks alongside the ground are rarely two thirds full. In addition there are park and ride schemes from about two miles from the ground. The problem with the stadium car parks is however the crap bottle-neck access to and from the stadium, which is why many supporters choose not to use the car parks. The last two matches I went to at the SoL it took me to between 5.30 and 6pm to get my car away from the car parks!
Access is as important as parking itself ....

 

[Brighton Breezy]

Why dont we just move to Highbury when Arsenal are finished with it...

 

[BensGrandad]

I have always been in favour of this site as to me it is the most obvious.

The minor problems like getting people to and from the ground either by public transport or road can easily be got over if required.

The FA rule about 8 miles again would be changed if that was the only acceptable site and also our name is Brighton & HOVE Albion is it 8 miles from Hove?

I was told by a then Brighton Manager some years ago that they do not really want Falmer what they are hoping is that JP will refuse FALMER and suggest an alternative site, which with his suggestion and backing could not possibly be opposed. The sites I was told they wanted him to suggest were either Waterhall or Beeding. I wonder especially after so much money has been spent or if this view is correct wasted on Falmer.

 

[zefarelly]

careful Bens Grandad or you'll have Roz after you with her scrotum hammer

unless you like that sort of thing . . . .I know Frank Bough does

I think they should rebuild the pier and put a stadium on it then you could get every conceivable form of transport there. . . . .watersking sounds like fun from Shoreham

 

[Brighton Breezy]

What about next to where the park and ride is, joint with Brighton Rugby club?

 

[Brixtaan]

I still think it should be on the top of Devil's Dyke.Instead of that god awful pub.

 

[Scoffers]

Lets just reclaim some land next to the Palace Pier and build the new stadium there!

 

[Storer68]

I

I was told by a then Brighton Manager some years ago that they do not really want Falmer what they are hoping is that JP will refuse FALMER and suggest an alternative site, which with his suggestion and backing could not possibly be opposed. The sites I was told they wanted him to suggest were either Waterhall or Beeding. I wonder especially after so much money has been spent or if this view is correct wasted on Falmer.

Sorry but I really must object here.

Prescott can only say YES or No to Falmer, and only Falmer - he canl NOT, repeat NOT suggest any alternative sites.

Now will you all just shut up.








and calm................................................

 

[Scoffers]

Sorry but I really must object here.

Prescott can only say YES or No to Falmer, and only Falmer - he canl NOT, repeat NOT suggest any alternative sites.

Now will you all just shut up.


and calm................................................

Storer, there has been soooooo much crap posted re:Falmer that I have almost given up trying to be serious (see my reclaim land from the sea post!). Increasingly other normally serious posters are going the same way, even Lord Bracknell is now losing his commendable patience.

To be fair though, this has dragged on so long now that it's getting silly. The longer it drags on, the more speculation will arise. For goodness sake JP - just make the decision, give us Falmer and let us get on with making BHAFC a team to be proud of for the whole of Sussex.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Lord B . . .surely some upgrading and or new additions to public access can and would be either sponsored or backed by business and/or the rail network . . .its in their opwn interest, in the case of Falmer as an example, the station would need better footpaths for example to get to and from the site

There will be improved footpaths between Falmer station and the stadium / Brighton University.

But these will be paid for by the Albion.

And the Albion will also pay for the improved access to the Sussex University car parks and the improved road access to the Brighton University campus.

Originally posted by Scoffers
Don't bother Lord B, folks read, but don't digest

Point taken.

Originally posted by Scoffers
Lord Bracknell is now losing his commendable patience.

What really pisses me off, if you want to know, is when Perseus comes out with crap like "Lord Bracknell is exactly right", when he plainly spends most of his time on here undermining the Club's position and paying no attention whatsoever to what was said at the Public Inquiry.

And he constantly shows his complete ignorance of how the planning system works.

 

[SussexSpur]

Perseus (and others) talk about railway infrastructure (eg a new station at Pende or the reopening on the line to Beeding) as if these are things that would be paid for by the railway industry. They are not. They would have to be paid for by the football club. The reason that Arsenal's new ground is so expensive is because Arsenal FC are paying for new facilities on the London Underground system. Required improvements to road access are also paid for by the football club.

O/T I'm sure, but Spurs have found similar, though not quite comparable, frustration recently with London Underground's suggestions of reopening a Tube line to Northumberland Park, right by the stadium, rather than the half-hour walk that is Seven Sisters. Yet the ultimately decided no.
Tottenham's board are obviously frustrated, and now producing lots of sabre-rattling threats about leaving White Hart Lane, and the borough of Haringay, if they can't get a) their temporary stadium extension and b) their ultimate stadium extension, which would necessarily entail massive improvements to the pisspoor local transport networks (probably the worst, least accessible in London - well, maybe equal to Palace. . .)
But, of course, it's the club which faces the greatest outlay. Don't know whether not having the immense, high-profile likes of London Underground or a London Mayor to deal with benefits Brighton in comparison. But obviously, you have enough, plenty more obstacles to overcome. Just wish there was a more transparent way of 1) football clubs being given the kind of support from other agencies that reflects their seminal importance to vast blocks of fans, and yet 2) football clubs putting up their own realistic stakes without supporters being stung for any supposed "risk".

 

[perseus]

White Hart Lane was the worst ground to get to crowds-wise. We had to park the car miles away and get a train in, overland trains that seemed to stop near the ground.



Boring Bit (found out by accident):
Plan number DC/04/0594 at Horsham Council to to an aggregate recycling plant at the cement works site where it means lots of lorries going in and out.