Upper Beeding cement works site an alternative to Falmer?

[Yorkie]

When will people realise ... there is no alternative to Falmer.

I reckon that all this crap about the cement works was initiated by an anti falmer group in a pathetic attempt to de-stable the Falmer proposal.

If the ODPM thought for one moment that there was a viable Plan B, they may be more likely to turn Falmer down,

It is West Sussex County council and Horsham council looking into plans IF Falmer is turned down.

My cousin is a sound engineer and specialises in acoustics. He was asked to look into the sound possibilities at Beeding last week.

He told them it would be a rubbish site.


IF Falmer is turned down (which it won't be) then I would be happy for a ground to be at Newhaven.

 

[Lady Bracknell]

Not that there are any alternatives to Falmer, of course, Yorkie.

 

[Yorkie]

Of course Roz

I am firmly of the opinion that a positive answer is not far away.

 

[Brighton Breezy]

I dont think there will be a problem. We WILL get Falmer.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

It is West Sussex County council and Horsham council looking into plans IF Falmer is turned down.

I don't think so, Yorkie.

It is far more likely to be an individual Horsham District Councillor fantasising about what might be done with the Cement Works site now that Prescott HAS turned down the proposals by Callstone to build homes, a hotel and business park on the site.

The Public Inquiry into those proposals took place last summer.

Prescott "agreed with the planning inspector, who said the proposals would damage the Sussex Downs area of outstanding natural beauty (AONB) and harm wildlife.

Mr Prescott said building at the disused cement works would be premature while the old quarry remains identified as a possible incinerator site in waste plans". [Argus Report, 13 September 2003]

Horsham DC hate the idea of using the site for waste disposal, so they are scraping around for ANY possible alternative.

They have no intention of helping the Albion - they just want to stop the Incinerator.

 

[perseus]

Lord Bracknell is exactly right. There was something about the roads being inadequate in the Public Inquiry findings as well.

I don't think Prescott's office like building homes where there is no public transport and no jobs nearby.

Something like a Parcs Centre Village would seem the best bet. They can improve the landscape. However, this sort of holiday is no longer popular enough to justify the huge investment. Probably something to do with the British weather.

 

[timseagull]

i wood have thought the beeding cement works was a far more concreate solution and expect the club to now purse sue that in favour of other pipe dreams

So when Falmer is built you won't be going? Go away!

 

[Theatre of Trees]

The bed of the railway is intact up to where it crosses the Steyning Road. From there the bridge has been removed and would need rebuilding and the land the other side is owned by a car company. It would cost far too much money to resurrect.

Basically it is complete bollocks of the sweaty and hairy kind.

 

[Bwian]

How many more of these threads are we going to have to endure? All they serve to do is wake up Percy Pende and his load of shite and alert the local bat kissing AONB hugging f**kwit pub owners/MP's that even the fans are talking about alternatives.

 

[perseus]

Just to make sure you are very clear, I think the opposition to the Falmer scheme by Lewes District Council, the South Downs Conservation Board and various insignificant NIMBYs was absolutely nothing to do with protecting the environment but more to do with perceived self interest based on prejudice and snobbery.

NIMBYs have never stopped a good plan ever. Well, in this case they may have, because Falmer Village Way South was better and it was the Brighton Councillors that did not grasp the mettle and really get to grips with the problem. If you have ever been to a Council meeting you will probably guess why. Most of the Councillors are just bit part actors that just respond to outside influences. They don't write the script.

That's why the Cement Works thing came up because it came up on the Horsham Council agenda. Adur Council are responsible for some of the land near the Cement Works and they are open minded to what goes on the Cement Works site, but are likely to be opposed to anything that made the awful dangerous roads even worse. (The site is completely useless for a football stadium without any shadow of doubt.)

It is clear to me that Prescott's office do not respond to political pressure on individual planning cases. However, they do take note of political pressure on general themes and perhaps might even welcome it. The fans and public of Sussex and even Horsham Councillors have kept Falmer and the new football stadium at the top of the local agenda where it should be.

Also, the statistics say that the Brighton urban area from Newhaven to Littlehampton is a regeneration zone (not Burgess Hill and Crawley) Therefore, I think that Government planning if well keen to promote relatively deprived areas: it is about the only good thing the current Government has done: there has been a dramatic rise in household incomes in areas like Hull, Cornwall and the north-east where the Government are keen to promote investment.

It is about time that the local planners and Councils got something sorted out down here about a new football stadium, West Pier, Cement Works, low local wages and various other problems. Prescott has said in public that "he wants to build near roads and public transport" and that he will relax the green belt rules to get his way (if he can, legally) and this has always been his attitude, so I think Brighton Council have been pissing about too much about an arbitary AONB boundary line.

Tim Loughton and Bottomley (banned from driving) MPs for West Sussex constituencies want to carve up the South Downs for a road by-pass for Lancing and Worthing so they will not be mentioning AONBs. Whether they have got around to finding out that by building all these houses for Londoners is what is making the rush hour roads worse is a different matter. They get in their cars to drive to work because their are no local jobs for them. Even in Brighton more people leave the city to go to work than come in. So the issue right on top of the political agenda is local jobs. Secondly it is housing, housing prices, housing density, and road infrastructure/transport.

I hope Prescott gives Brighton Council a rocket up their backsides and we get a new stadium in the best possible place. I have my reservations about Falmer Vilage way North because it is not as good and never will be as good as St. Mary's Ground in Southampton, because the current Falmer plan is not as big and it never will be. I would like to think we could compete on an even or better playing field than Southampton, Bolton, Leicester, Derby etc. Falmer does not do this. At best it is a compromise.

 

[Lady Bracknell]

Falmer does not do this. At best it is a compromise.

BOLLOCKS IS IT!
Although if the Albion had actually wanted to build a stadium in SOUTHAMPTON, I guess Falmer would be a tad inconvenient.

 

[Lammy]

If the governement turn down Falmer and suggest an alturnative then I would expect them to;

1) Foot the bill for another application
2) Total support and cooporation
3) Re-routing of railway lines and new roads to be paid for by the tax payer.
4) A fast track application that lasts no more than 6 months.
5) New capacity rasied to 40,000
6) No public enquiry
7) Hoile sacked and tortured
8) Bellotti and Archer shot in the balls, anckles, knees, elbows and wrists. THen pissed on by every Albion fan. Their heads displayed on spikes in the middle of the Patcham Roundabout.
9) Falmer village levelled.
10) Baker to be publicaly flogged.

If they meet these demands then I don't have a problem with it.

 

[perseus]

Seriously, Falmer (realistically) will always be first choice because it is the only the only plan on the table.

If it does come a cropper Pende (click on the name for the link) would envisage:

1) Costs to be paid entirely by the developer (identified).
2) Yes
3) Pende only requires (not straight away) a railway station to be paid for by the train companies.
4) Minimum of 9 months, probably a year
5) Capacity envisaged to be 25,000 with an option of 37,000
6) No Public Inquiry. Planning gain bribes the locals on public access to community land.
7 to 10) What about Greg Stanley?

 

[zefarelly]

Any site requires considerable planning and investment, I fail to see that the old Cement works site is much different from anywhere else, it clearly is not the best site available for a football stadium (although being a Shoreham person it would suit me) but it quite clearly is ripe for a very interesting developement of some kind (please not 'industrial units' and 'affordable housing') but given the state of Adurs planning department and the council as a whole, on top of the rediculous beurocratic processes one has to go through these days just to fart in your own back yard, I wouldnt be suprised if it lays untouched for another ten years.

the whole 8 miles from the pavillion is total bollocks . . . .didnt stop Milton Keynes/Wimbledon did it.

 

[perseus]

Zefarelly: just for dreams-wise, The Cement Works is envisaged as a Centre Parcs homes complex where they landscape the area for holiday homes (not asylum seekers) but these are not an economic proposition because people want to get to somewhere sunny.

Also, throughout the winter, the holiday chalets are not used because there is no demand. Therefore, the only way to create a demand would to be provide holiday chalets for visiting Premier League Football supporters and visitors for international matches and rock festivals at the stadium during the summer.

Pende being just down the road, would be ideal to solve all three problems at once, what to do with the Cement Works, what to do with New Monks Farm (Pende) and to build a football stadium that would be the best on the south coast.

Pende is 7.5 miles as the seagull flies from Brighton Pavilion. Even the Cement Works is under 8 miles by seagull, although the roads are so awful it makes it more like 15 miles.

Not forgetting that the amount of land at Pende is four times the size of Arsenal's plan. Which would put a stop to irritating comments from Arsenal fans. Irritating is a bit of an understatement. Why can't they go back to London?

 

[Storer68]

I received an e-mail the other day from somebody very senior at the football club.

I reproduce it here (in full):-

Beeding Cement Works is Bollocks

Is that now the official policy statement?

 

[Scoffers]

the whole 8 miles from the pavillion is total bollocks . . . .didnt stop Milton Keynes/Wimbledon did it.

I thought that the 8 mile rule was added into Albion's constitution after the Belotti era in order to prevent another Gillingham situation. I might be wrong. Lord Bracknell, care to comment?

 

[zefarelly]

the clubs constitution clearly isnt worth the paper its written on since its been edited by total Fucktards

 

[Lady Bracknell]

What did I say about Pende, Percy?
I am, even now checking the whereabouts of the scrotum nailing hammer...

 

[zefarelly]

he he . . .Perseus Vs Roz . . .Live . .on Saturday night fight live . . . . and the New Pende stadium . . . .I can see it now . . . .Roz to win . . . .knock out 1st round