[Misc] Unresolved mysteries

[Baldseagull]

It will still take us most of a year just to travel the distance between Earth and Mars, travel to another galaxy in practical terms is impossible within a human life span, as is any sort of return. Unless of course you use { We could traverse the entire Milky way in about 24 years, if you constantly accelerate at a rate equivalent to 1G, for half the journey, and decelerate at a rate of 1G for the second half of the journey, you could get to our nearest neighbouring star in about 3 years. Unfortunately, if you went there and back, about 60,000 years would have passed on Earth, and no one would be expecting you. } to get there. Don't kid yourself, all societies, groups, and alliances crumble for one reason or another, just get some Cos-play stuff on E-bay and watch all the Star trek spin offs and enjoy. ... we ain't going nowhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_travel_using_constant_acceleration

 

[vagabond]

Mathematics is somewhat irrelevant in this. It's to do with likelyhood of the correct conditions. You could have 2 billion buckets each with holes in them, just because there are 2 billion of them it doesn't make it any more likely that there are some that won't leak water.

Maths is not irrelevant to this, quite the opposite actually.

And what do you mean by correct conditions? That is what I’m discussing, exoplanets that have Earth like conditions (ie inhabiting the Goldilocks zone).

We are already discovering 1000’s of earth like planets a month (this figure is only to extrapolate to ridiculous numbers as TESS is optimised further to search greater areas of the cosmos), it’s now becoming quite naive to assume we’re the only life in this infinite universe. Your perspective appears to be locked in with Science perspectives from 20 years ago. Slightly out of date.

There are studies extrapolating overwhelming odds there are even billions of earth like planets in our Milky Way alone.

“Our Milky Way has as many as 400 billion stars, with seven percent of them being G-type,” observed study co-author and UBC astronomer Jaymie Matthews in a statement. “That means less than six billion stars may have Earth-like planets in our Galaxy.”

https://scitechdaily.com/are-we-alo...ns-of-earth-like-planets-may-hold-the-answer/

Consider that is just the Milky Way. And that in itself is but a fraction of the universe. The odds of us being the only life becomes staggeringly huge. Billions to one.

To go back to the original point. You may be all means choose to believe we are the only life in this universe, that is your right. But to suggest you have maths on your side is wholly wrong.

 

[vagabond]

Depends on your version of " Alone " ... There is almost certainly life somewhere else in our galaxy, another galaxy or indeed the universe but, we aren't going to be getting a Birthday card anytime soon.

I agree. I don’t recall suggesting otherwise.

 

[The Clamp]

Maths is not irrelevant to this, quite the opposite actually.

And what do you mean by correct conditions? That is what I’m discussing, exoplanets that have Earth like conditions (ie inhabiting the Goldilocks zone).

We are already discovering 1000’s of earth like planets a month (this figure is only to extrapolate to ridiculous numbers as TESS is optimised further to search greater areas of the cosmos), it’s now becoming quite naive to assume we’re the only life in this infinite universe. Your perspective appears to be locked in with Science perspectives from 20 years ago. Slightly out of date.

There are studies extrapolating overwhelming odds there are even billions of earth like planets in our Milky Way alone.



https://scitechdaily.com/are-we-alo...ns-of-earth-like-planets-may-hold-the-answer/

Consider that is just the Milky Way. And that in itself is but a fraction of the universe. The odds of us being the only life becomes staggeringly huge. Billions to one.

To go back to the original point. You may be all means choose to believe we are the only life in this universe, that is your right. But to suggest you have maths on your side is wholly wrong.

I haven’t assumed anything. I’m open to the possibility of life elsewhere but not the probability.

As for the mathematical aspect, I don’t think you have understood my point. Probably my fault, but I don’t know any other way to explain it.

 

[birthofanorange]

Oh well lets just give up then ! , sorry but you are wrong in all departments . Scientists ( i think they are normally very closed minded ) have now discovered nearly 10,000 as you say Goldilocks planets like the Earth . Considering how short a time we have had the ability to detect them that is phenomenal . As for the distances between them ....so what ! . Just because we are limited we apportion that restriction on the entire Universe , the arrogance is off the scale . Just 100 years ago it would take at least a week to reach New York , 50 years later Concorde was doing it in under 4 hours . Just imagine what a race 10,000 years ahead of us are capable of .

One can imagine anything one chooses, yet it means diddly squat.

I already am of the belief that (given the immeasurable amounts of possible 'life'-supporting planets there are ) some other forms exist out there.

However, due to the lack of any tangible evidence whatsoever, I do not believe that they were/are/or will be here.

As for the rest of your wafflings, I just hope the spliff was a good 'un.

 

[Baldseagull]

Well we didn`t evolve from apes for a start , all of the simian family are capable of successfully interbreeding . Except us because we are not related , no matter what Darwin might have said . If we were then why have we evolved and all the other species have continued on the same path .
Species such as Sharks have lived on this planet for around 350m years , yet we have a traceable history of about 500,000 years . In that time we have gone through many " upgrades " , you can call it evolution if it makes you comfortable but the progression by comparison to all other species is nothing short of stratospheric . As for physical advantages and environment , well we can adapt better than any other species . As for physicality , maybe those doing the altering consider intelligence more important . If we survive long enough i`m sure we will have a few more upgrades to come .

No, we didn't exactly evolve from Apes, but the Apes are our closest relative, that is we share a common ancestor more recently than we do with any other living thing around today. We are related to every living thing on this planet, we have something like a 98% similarity in DNA with Chimpanzees, but only a 30% or so similarity to a lettuce.

 

[TugWilson]

Going at that rate and with the distances involved we could reach the farthest detected Goldilocks planet in approx 890,000,000,000,000 years. Stopping and checking each one on the way. Yeah, give up

NB "Scientists (I think they are normally very closed minded)".....Is one of the most ludicrous things ever typed on NSC.

Tachyons travel faster than the speed of light . Scientists insist nothing can go faster than the speed of light , yet they are researching at great expense for Tachyons because the data says they must exist . But ask a scientist if faster than light speed is possible the answer will be no , hence closed minded .

When asked about earth type planets scientists doubted the existence , but astronomers searched and found errm 10,000 so far . Closed minded .

 

[vegster]

One can imagine anything one chooses, yet it means diddly squat.

I already am of the belief that (given the immeasurable amounts of possible 'life'-supporting planets there are ) some other forms exist out there.

However, due to the lack of any tangible evidence whatsoever, I do not believe that they were/are/or will be here.

As for the rest of your wafflings, I just hope the spliff was a good 'un.

Er, thats not my quote dude !

 

[Baldseagull]

I'm not sure if the Nazis were dealing directly with aliens but I'm 100 percent sure Hitler was convinced the ancient stories were real and he sent Nazis all over the globe to find proof and I believe he did indeed discover the proof.
Certainly the vimanas of the Vedas were of interest to him and that led to the creation of"die glocke"the nazi bell anti-gravity ship which was tested at a secret site in Poland.
Its interesting that after the war the us government shipped back all the nazi scientists to the us under operation paperclip and the top Nazi in charge of all the scientist went missing and was the only Nazi not to be tried in his absence at Nuremberg.
Hitler also had an interest in the weapons of the vedas and as well as continuing Nazi work in the us,the us government also carried on the nuclear weapons programme started by Hitler.
Its interesting that Oppenheimer upon completing the first successful nuclear explosion quoted the bhagavad Gita."I am death the destroyer of worlds"
One of the weapons of the Vedas is the brahmastra a weapon that would burn brighter than a 1000 suns,destroy everything in its path and people who survived would grow sick and die slowly.sounds like a nuke to me.
Intriguingly when asked about the test in an interview Oppenheimer said this was the first successful test in modern times.
Again was he giving a nod to the Vedas and the shift in thinking that everything in them is true.
So whilst maybe not directly getting advice from aliens I believe Hitler and the Nazis were certainly reverse engineering the technology of aliens that lived on earth 1000s of years ago.

Why is it Aliens that lived here 1000's of years ago, and not humans with advanced technology?

 

[birthofanorange]

Er, thats not my quote dude !

I know.

 

[TugWilson]

They worked with scientists. Strong belief is the basis of religions The outside sources were Russia, pre war, who allowed the Germans to develop and test weapons on their land, away from inspectors as Germany was barred by the treaty of Versaille from the arms trade. German companies were not barred though, and so they set up in other European countries in order to carry on manufacturing and developing weapons, this gave them access to foreign scientists too. A lot of work was done secretly, and therefore, it might have appeared that it all happened at once, it was not ****ing aliens, and if it was an advanced race, helping the "Master race" they were not advanced enough to keep the German coded comms from being deciphered by a Gay guy and a bunch of women in Bletchley Park.

Totally agree i believe in Aliens but always had a problem with the connection with the nazis , i mentioned it because of its popularity as a subject Re : The kecksburg incident . I know the Washington treaty was ignored by Germany , hence Tirpitz and Bismarck among others . But we got Nelson and Rodney even under the treaty , and the Rodney kicked the crap out of Bismarck , albeit with the help of KGV . But i still believe that there is something to hitlers paranormal beliefs , they are well documented .

 

[vagabond]

Scientists insist nothing can go faster than the speed of light , yet they are researching at great expense for Tachyons because the data says they must exist . But ask a scientist if faster than light speed is possible the answer will be no , hence closed minded .

When asked about earth type planets scientists doubted the existence , but astronomers searched and found errm 10,000 so far . Closed minded .

That’s not being close minded dude. All that Science cares about is evidence. It’s actually a great thing and why it will always trump religion. There’s no Gods in science.

I think I see what you’re getting at. Closed minded is the wrong term maybe. Science evolves. And it will always prove itself wrong. At first we thought the sun was evolving around the earth, with each discovery we’re humbling ourselves to realise we’re not actually that special.

At the moment there is no known way to travel faster than light. Einstein said it was impossible, but who knows. I believe that’s a big part of what’s going on at CERN with the Hadron collider experiments. I think in terms of making contact, we’re more likely to see some kind of Neumann probes sent to observe then actual space travel. As nanotech becomes more realised (and cheap) there’ll be little incentive for human space journeys which is expensive and dangerous.

There may be some interesting discoveries in the next 20 years or so (I hope). There’s already talk of now “zooming in” to where we’ve discovered exoplanets to observe in more detail. Searching atmospheres for traces of pollution, of waste, for example... Interesting times ahead and we’ve barely scraped the surface.

 

[beorhthelm]

There’s multiple conversations going on here, but I don’t think one should rule out the possibility of there being life in the totality of the cosmos. That would be a bit silly.

Especially as where once, we thought Earth like planets were rare, we now realise thanks to the Kepler telescope that there are lots of Earth like planets. And not just lots, they are common throughout the galaxy. And baring in mind we’ve still only searched the equivalent of a bucket of water in all of earths oceans.

To take all that into account and to still glibly declare, “nah, there’s no other life in the universe. Just us”. Seems a bit naive.

absolutely. its a bang on certainty there is other life and civilisations out there. the problem is the same probability that determines this also highlights how far they are likely to be. and how unlikely they are to stumble upon this utterly insignificant little blue-green planet, in a less fashionable sector of the galaxy, build some pyramids and mess with our DNA then disappear.

 

[The Clamp]

Tachyons travel faster than the speed of light . Scientists insist nothing can go faster than the speed of light , yet they are researching at great expense for Tachyons because the data says they must exist . But ask a scientist if faster than light speed is possible the answer will be no , hence closed minded .

When asked about earth type planets scientists doubted the existence , but astronomers searched and found errm 10,000 so far . Closed minded .

That’s not being closed minded. That’s waiting for proof.

 

[Baldseagull]

Tachyons travel faster than the speed of light . Scientists insist nothing can go faster than the speed of light , yet they are researching at great expense for Tachyons because the data says they must exist . But ask a scientist if faster than light speed is possible the answer will be no , hence closed minded .

When asked about earth type planets scientists doubted the existence , but astronomers searched and found errm 10,000 so far . Closed minded .

They have not found 10,000 earth like planets, they have found 10,000 planets orbiting in the "habitable zone" around their sun. We do not know if those planets are conducive to life in any other regard.

 

[Swansman]

Came to think of this old BBC (initially suppressed until the BBC workers went on a strike because of the whole Zircon-affair) BBC series that I downloaded like 15 years ago. Surprised and pleased to see it on Youtube. Maybe someone here find it interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2wGQfqQBMM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2hySVTwV7s

Five episodes (sixth was never finished) but the first one is perhaps the most interesting.

 

[birthofanorange]

That’s not being closed minded. That’s waiting for proof.

Yes, proof is required, or it just remains theoretical/fanciful thinking.

Nothing wrong with having either of those, of course, but to make it a reality, one needs more than just imagination.

(And wth is going on with these quotes? Aliens? )

 

[TugWilson]

It will still take us most of a year just to travel the distance between Earth and Mars, travel to another galaxy in practical terms is impossible within a human life span, as is any sort of return. Unless of course you use { Insert science techno babble here } to get there. Don't kid yourself, all societies, groups, and alliances crumble for one reason or another, just get some Cos-play stuff on E-bay and watch all the Star trek spin offs and enjoy. ... we ain't going nowhere.

Its amazing how everyone , within reason , on both sides of this argument agree they do not know everything about the level of progress we have . For instance NASA or Military ( Black Projects ) but are experts on how everything works . With the current tech we have it will take 7 months not 12 , with what they actually have who knows . Kelly Johnson , designer of the SR71 said ," whatever you see in the sky take it from me were 50 years ahead '. As a race were pathetic , we think we have the answers because it makes us feel superior . Truth is you make cheap jokes about Star Trek while all the time like it or not these things are there above your head .

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Here's one that has disturbed me for decades

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Keith_Lyon

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/27/confession-keith-lyon-unsolved-schoolboy-murder-1967

 

[The Clamp]

They have not found 10,000 earth like planets, they have found 10,000 planets orbiting in the "habitable zone" around their sun. We do not know if those planets are conducive to life in any other regard.

Quotes be all ****ed up