[Misc] Unresolved mysteries

[TugWilson]

What, this one (Post #150)?

"So there are as many stars as grains of sand on every beach in the world , and as many galaxies as stars . And that is just what we have found so far , which stretches 14 Billion light years , and the possibility of multi-verses . But " There is nobody out there . " And you call that assumption " basic common sense ." WOW !"

Yes, I can see clearly. And Darwin is wrong.

Silly me.

When you consider there are more stars in our Milky Way galaxy than grains of sand on every beach in the world , and that each star could have a system of planets , and that there are as many Galaxies as stars . How can we be alone .
The US Navy released 3 gun camera films of " Bogey`s " to the public for the first time 2/3 years ago , this is a part of the disclosure you are talking about .
No this one , SILLY YOU !

 

[TugWilson]

ironic eh, maybe you should to evaluate why i dismissed it? 3 minutes of mid-level graphics and ancient alien's Tsoukalos saying "see, ancient aliens!". i took the time to search for and find original source to understand the claim.

Present evidence and change minds .

 

[beorhthelm]

Share ?

seriously? so you were just going off superficial 3 min youtube and know nothing more? i should leave you to find yourself if you care. but here it is.

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.906.4671&rep=rep1&type=pdf

 

[TugWilson]

seriously? so you were just going off superficial 3 min youtube and know nothing more? find it yourself if you care.

 

[The Clamp]

Fair enough I don't know enough about them as individuals to comment but we must not forget a fair few scientists who have contributed greatly to our understanding were not taken seriously when they started and also some great scientists changed the status quo and were on the right track but proved to be slightly wrong on parts of there work in later centuries.
I'm just saying nothing should be ruled out.
As long as proper scientific principles are applied in the research then it should be investigated until proven or disproven.

The huge majority of scientific breakthroughs occurred some time ago now. In a time when the major reason for not taking them seriously was that it threatened religious beliefs and sound science was only starting to be applied. We live in more enlightened times.

No, lots of things should be ruled out. Lots. That is one of the basic principles of scientific research.

 

[birthofanorange]

When you consider there are more stars in our Milky Way galaxy than grains of sand on every beach in the world , and that each star could have a system of planets , and that there are as many Galaxies as stars . How can we be alone .
The US Navy released 3 gun camera films of " Bogey`s " to the public for the first time 2/3 years ago , this is a part of the disclosure you are talking about .
No this one , SILLY YOU !

Oh, not this quote of yours, then? (Post # 150)

"So there are as many stars as grains of sand on every beach in the world , and as many galaxies as stars . And that is just what we have found so far , which stretches 14 Billion light years , and the possibility of multi-verses . But " There is nobody out there . " And you call that assumption " basic common sense ." WOW !"

Still, Darwin is wrong, too, eh?

 

[birthofanorange]

Yes, you are a bit.

 

[The Clamp]

There could well be life out there. It really cannot be proved either way. The arguments for and against are quite compelling.

As for simulation theory and us being made up of polygons? No argument I have seen for such theories has withstood even the slightest scrutiny. These ideas are the last refuge of crack-pots who couldn't carve a decent reputation in mainstream scientific research.

 

[vegster]

When you consider there are more stars in our Milky Way galaxy than grains of sand on every beach in the world , and that each star could have a system of planets , and that there are as many Galaxies as stars . How can we be alone .
The US Navy released 3 gun camera films of " Bogey`s " to the public for the first time 2/3 years ago , this is a part of the disclosure you are talking about .
No this one , SILLY YOU !

I read something very interesting a few years back, sadly we are very alone. Simply put, life can only evolve on " Goldilocks " planets that are the perfect distance from a star. then that life has to evolve for long enough to avoid natural disasters ( Asteroid strike, major vulcanism and such things as their version of Covid-19)long enough in order to achieve understanding and the physical ability to leave their planet... like we have .. just. ..

However, all that is tempered by the fact that such Goldilocks planets are so widely dissipated through galaxies and the distances so vast between them that sentient civilisations will probably never meet up. Sad but true.

 

[TugWilson]

seriously? so you were just going off superficial 3 min youtube and know nothing more? i should leave you to find yourself if you care. but here it is.

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.906.4671&rep=rep1&type=pdf

https://jimiheaven.gonevis.com/evidence-of-extraterrestrial-dna-in-human-beings/

 

[birthofanorange]

Precisely.

 

[TugWilson]

I read something very interesting a few years back, sadly we are very alone. Simply put, life can only evolve on " Goldilocks " planets that are the perfect distance from a star. then that life has to evolve for long enough to avoid natural disasters ( Asteroid strike, major vulcanism and such things as their version of Covid-19)long enough in order to achieve understanding and the physical ability to leave their planet... like we have .. just. ..

However, all that is tempered by the fact that such Goldilocks planets are so widely dissipated through galaxies and the distances so vast between them that sentient civilisations will probably never meet up. Sad but true.

Oh well lets just give up then ! , sorry but you are wrong in all departments . Scientists ( i think they are normally very closed minded ) have now discovered nearly 10,000 as you say Goldilocks planets like the Earth . Considering how short a time we have had the ability to detect them that is phenomenal . As for the distances between them ....so what ! . Just because we are limited we apportion that restriction on the entire Universe , the arrogance is off the scale . Just 100 years ago it would take at least a week to reach New York , 50 years later Concorde was doing it in under 4 hours . Just imagine what a race 10,000 years ahead of us are capable of .

 

[The Clamp]

I read something very interesting a few years back, sadly we are very alone. Simply put, life can only evolve on " Goldilocks " planets that are the perfect distance from a star. then that life has to evolve for long enough to avoid natural disasters ( Asteroid strike, major vulcanism and such things as their version of Covid-19)long enough in order to achieve understanding and the physical ability to leave their planet... like we have .. just. ..

However, all that is tempered by the fact that such Goldilocks planets are so widely dissipated through galaxies and the distances so vast between them that sentient civilisations will probably never meet up. Sad but true.

Quite. There is every chance we are a complete freak occurrence. In all probability, we are very much alone. Nice to look up and wonder though


However, as Calvin & Hobbes pointed out; The proof that there is intelligent life out there is that it has not bothered to visit us

 

[The Clamp]

Oh well lets just give up then ! , sorry but you are wrong in all departments . Scientists ( i think they are normally very closed minded ) have now discovered nearly 10,000 as you say Goldilocks planets like the Earth . Considering how short a time we have had the ability to detect them that is phenomenal . As for the distances between them ....so what ! . Just because we are limited we apportion that restriction on the entire Universe , the arrogance is off the scale . Just 100 years ago it would take at least a week to reach New York , 50 years later Concorde was doing it in under 4 hours . Just imagine what a race 10,000 years ahead of us are capable of .

Going at that rate and with the distances involved we could reach the farthest detected Goldilocks planet in approx 890,000,000,000,000 years. Stopping and checking each one on the way. Yeah, give up

NB "Scientists (I think they are normally very closed minded)".....Is one of the most ludicrous things ever typed on NSC.

 

[vegster]

Oh well lets just give up then ! , sorry but you are wrong in all departments . Scientists ( i think they are normally very closed minded ) have now discovered nearly 10,000 as you say Goldilocks planets like the Earth . Considering how short a time we have had the ability to detect them that is phenomenal . As for the distances between them ....so what ! . Just because we are limited we apportion that restriction on the entire Universe , the arrogance is off the scale . Just 100 years ago it would take at least a week to reach New York , 50 years later Concorde was doing it in under 4 hours . Just imagine what a race 10,000 years ahead of us are capable of .

It will still take us most of a year just to travel the distance between Earth and Mars, travel to another galaxy in practical terms is impossible within a human life span, as is any sort of return. Unless of course you use { Insert science techno babble here } to get there. Don't kid yourself, all societies, groups, and alliances crumble for one reason or another, just get some Cos-play stuff on E-bay and watch all the Star trek spin offs and enjoy. ... we ain't going nowhere.

 

[vagabond]

There’s multiple conversations going on here, but I don’t think one should rule out the possibility of there being life in the totality of the cosmos. That would be a bit silly.

Especially as where once, we thought Earth like planets were rare, we now realise thanks to the Kepler telescope that there are lots of Earth like planets. And not just lots, they are common throughout the galaxy. And baring in mind we’ve still only searched the equivalent of a bucket of water in all of earths oceans.

To take all that into account and to still glibly declare, “nah, there’s no other life in the universe. Just us”. Seems a bit naive.

 

[Baldseagull]

Yes you`re right , there is strong belief that Germany had worked with outside sources to make their advances , even historical photos of German flying saucers . But i would go further and suggest we have had our DNA enhanced at various times in our history , that would answer some of the biggest questions of all .

They worked with scientists. Strong belief is the basis of religions The outside sources were Russia, pre war, who allowed the Germans to develop and test weapons on their land, away from inspectors as Germany was barred by the treaty of Versaille from the arms trade. German companies were not barred though, and so they set up in other European countries in order to carry on manufacturing and developing weapons, this gave them access to foreign scientists too. A lot of work was done secretly, and therefore, it might have appeared that it all happened at once, it was not ****ing aliens, and if it was an advanced race, helping the "Master race" they were not advanced enough to keep the German coded comms from being deciphered by a Gay guy and a bunch of women in Bletchley Park.

 

[vagabond]

Quite. There is every chance we are a complete freak occurrence. In all probability, we are very much alone. Nice to look up and wonder though
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In all probability we are alone? The maths suggest the opposite.

 

[The Clamp]

In all probability we are alone? The maths suggest the opposite.

Mathematics is somewhat irrelevant in this. It's to do with likelyhood of the correct conditions. You could have 2 billion buckets each with holes in them, just because there are 2 billion of them it doesn't make it any more likely that there are some that won't leak water.

I'm not ruling it out, as I have said before but I doubt it.

 

[vegster]

There’s multiple conversations going on here, but I don’t think one should rule out the possibility of there being life in the totality of the cosmos. That would be a bit silly.

Especially as where once, we thought Earth like planets were rare, we now realise thanks to the Kepler telescope that there are lots of Earth like planets. And not just lots, they are common throughout the galaxy. And baring in mind we’ve still only searched the equivalent of a bucket of water in all of earths oceans.

To take all that into account and to still glibly declare, “nah, there’s no other life in the universe. Just us”. Seems a bit naive.

Depends on your version of " Alone " ... There is almost certainly life somewhere else in our galaxy, another galaxy or indeed the universe but, we aren't going to be getting a Birthday card anytime soon.