Unemployment benefit/government handouts.

[fork me]

Have you ever taken a walk down Boundary Road?

Yes thanks, I lived in Portslade for many years.

Now about that evidence...

 

[Silk]

i don't care about those stats, that just give cretins like you an excuse to be work shy. Go and generate you own jobs.

Laughable.

 

[Safeway]

Ok, I'll do that if you can put forward some form of cogent reasoning behind "I think they should all receive the same: nothing, and be forced to get a job like normal people"

While you do, take into account the people who CAN'T work through sickness, the people (such as my next door neighbour) who are over 50, have been made redundant, and have little to no chance of getting back into work due to their age, people who would do pretty much anything just to get back into work.

It's sweeping statements made by pricks such as yourself that make my f***ing blood boil.

You were doing so well.

As I've said, obviously there are genuine cases but the ones that make my blood boil are those that simply have no intention whatsoever of earning an honest living. And I stick by my view that there is a sizable number of them. They don't deserve a penny, but unfortunately it seems difficult to sort them from the people in real need.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

If people are able bodied they should get a finite amount of benefit in their lifetime, end of.

*** cough *** - a majority of people are on income related JSA meaning they only get it for six months but don't let the facts get in the way.

 

[upthealbion1970]

Ok, I'll do that if you can put forward some form of cogent reasoning behind "I think they should all receive the same: nothing, and be forced to get a job like normal people"

While you do, take into account the people who CAN'T work through sickness, the people (such as my next door neighbour) who are over 50, have been made redundant, and have little to no chance of getting back into work due to their age, people who would do pretty much anything just to get back into work.

It's sweeping statements made by pricks such as yourself that make my f***ing blood boil.

Agreed, my mrs is not able to work due to having MS - she can't even make herself a cup of tea, many days its a struggle for her to get up and dressed so I left my job nearly 3 years ago to care for her and look after our son.

We have a joint claim for ESA and tax credits, and mrs gets her dla. The only difference between me being unemployed and caring is £34.40 a week. I get carers allowance but this is deducted from our ESA then paid as carers so I qualify for a premium as I'm caring for my partner.

The system is wrong, and there are those who abuse it that give the genuine claimants a bad name.

 

[fork me]

hospital cleaning/maintenance ,civic buildings in general.........maintaining railway thoroughfares , licking golf courses clean ,litter picking up of, clearing seaweed off the beach........you can say they should get a living wage , what do you call a living wage........i worked 40 hours a week on a yts when i left school for 25 quid a week ..is that a living wage .... and that was f***ing 25 years ago . i think your rent paid and 80 quid a week is more than fair, but that's just me.

I sincerely hope is IS just you.

Why should ANY job be worth less than minimum wage?

Let's just look at what you're suggesting. Make people clean and maintain hospital wage for their dole money. Now we don't need the real hospital cleaners and maintainance people so we put THEM on the dole as well making the problem even worse.

£25 a week for YTS was something I was opposed to as well, it was too low, but at least YTS schemes were SUPPOSED to be training towards a real job.

 

[piersa]

Laughable.

If I agreed with you it would make us both wrong.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

It is crazy that, under the new proposals, someone aged 24 that has worked full time since the age of 18, contributing taxation each month towards the housing benefit bill for a solid six years isn't entitled to claim from the pot if he is suddenly made redundant.

It's not fair, your right. They need to get the people who have been fiddling the system for years. And they need to stop handing out houses and benefits for people who have made zero contribution to the system and set a rule that they need to have been working and paid in to the system for at least 3 years, before they get anything. And as for people who have real disabilities illness, they should not be effected by this.

 

[User removed 4]

You were doing so well.

As I've said, obviously there are genuine cases but the ones that make my blood boil are those that simply have no intention whatsoever of earning an honest living. And I stick by my view that there is a sizable number of them. They don't deserve a penny, but unfortunately it seems difficult to sort them from the people in real need.

This is what you should have put in your original post, it's true.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Fair play.

Perhaps my initial comment was a little sweeping, but the fact remains that this country allows people to take the piss. We're expecting our first child in October and because we both work we will get something like £20 a week Child Allowance. If we were on Job Seekers (that name's a joke, because it implies the recipient is actually looking for work), we would receive a free £500 grant in addition to all the other goodies such as increased benefits, milk vouchers etc.

So let me get this right - you want to remove all JSA across the board but you're quite willing to claim your child benefit DESPITE you both having jobs ? Hmmm ......

 

[turienzo's lovechild]

whilst i don't agree with the "why don't they just get a (mythical) job then? brigade, what i will say is that i was unemployed for a fair while and was pretty f***ing depressed by the whole thing, and if i'm honest, probably wasn't trying as hard as i could have done to change my situation as i was in a pretty 'self destructive' era in my life

now i'm doing possibly the shittest job imaginable for not much more than what people get on JSA, but i feel so much better for it (it's basically to see me through the summer before I plunge back into the world of university life, although i'll still be working part time)

being unemployed is f***ing horrible, and luckily i was without the burden of mortgage, kids etc. but you do need a reason to get out of bed in the morning otherwise you're simply wasting your life away.....so if you CAN work (i fully appreciate that not everyone can) then it's really worth trying your hardest to get back into some form of work, be it voluntary or paid

 

[fork me]

Nice. How about you attempt to put forward a constructive argument rather than resort to pathetic name-calling just because you don't agree with something?

This coming from the poster who when asked to post evidence that a fair proportion of those claiming JSA were not looking for work said "Have you tried walking down Boundary Road?" Do you even know what a constructive argument is?

Let me give you a clue, you haven't provided one in this thread.

 

[piersa]

*** cough *** - a majority of people are on income related JSA meaning they only get it for six months but don't let the facts get in the way.

And then they cut their benefits to nothing? or do they give them a pointless, back to work interview and give them more cash?

 

[sydney]

Yes, because you know all about me from two comments on this thread, don't you?

well , no i don't ....can only comment on what you have said( sorry for offending)........none of us had it given to us , it was shit 30 years ago as well .............at least if you are out and about doing something (work for the dole)you may meat a possible workmate ,buisness partner etc..........fork me's comment just hits the nail on the head , we have created a generation of well-fare livers........and we can't knock our own people back when we are serving up all the "NEWCOMERS"....massive f*** up .........just ask yourselves where is all the money coming from and how long can it last...??

 

[fork me]

Perhaps my initial comment was a little sweeping,

A little? It was f***ing outrageous.

My sister is in her 30s. She's worked all her life since leaving school, has 2 kids and is split from their father. Two years ago she was made redundant through no fault of her own. Four months later she got a job, not a good job, but a job. She's now managed to move onto a better one. Clearly she's no scrounger.

Under YOUR "proposal" however, during those 4 months she would have had no money for rent, or to feed and clothe her kids for those four months. How would YOU expect her to survive?

People like you piss me off, I have no hesitation in giving you grief on a forum like this because you deserve every word. You are ignorant, pig ignorant.

 

[sydney]

I sincerely hope is IS just you.

Why should ANY job be worth less than minimum wage?

Let's just look at what you're suggesting. Make people clean and maintain hospital wage for their dole money. Now we don't need the real hospital cleaners and maintainance people so we put THEM on the dole as well making the problem even worse.

£25 a week for YTS was something I was opposed to as well, it was too low, but at least YTS schemes were SUPPOSED to be training towards a real job.

you live in cyprus ..no ? i live in perth ..! perhaps we should but out ........ but basically ,fair enough ...you are out of work , nothing else to do but sit on you arse watching the box ...why not get out and do something , like paint a fence,pier, lamp post.you may say why should i..? well i say why not...?

 

[fork me]

As I've said, obviously there are genuine cases

Yes, and you wanted to take their money of them and leave them with no means of support.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

And then they cut their benefits to nothing? or do they give them a pointless, back to work interview and give them more cash?

And then cut their JSA to ZERO. Other benefits ( if they are due and in my partners case they aren't ) are calculated separately.

Let's make it clear income related JSA ( which I believe is 70-80% of claiments currently ), gives you £70 odd quid a week and NOTHING else. No free prescriptions ( my partner still has to pay the eight quid a shot for a medicine ), no free dental ( basically it's tough shit if you get toothache ) and no council tax relief.

So before people get on their high horses ( and I guess most of them have never been unemployed ) try remembering there are a lot of people out there who have lost their jobs and are struggling. By all means target the long term scrongers but to suggest that just because someone is on JSA means they're some sort of second class wanker is frankly stupid.

 

[Safeway]

So let me get this right - you want to remove all JSA across the board but you're quite willing to claim your child benefit DESPITE you both having jobs ? Hmmm ......

Why shouldn't we claim? We've both paid tax our whole working lives and, because we don't earn particularly great money (she's going to be off work for a year with just one month's full pay), things are going to be a struggle. I've got no qualms at all about getting a bit of help.

And I've already back-tracked on the across the board comment.

 

[fork me]

well , no i don't ....can only comment on what you have said( sorry for offending)........none of us had it given to us , it was shit 30 years ago as well .............at least if you are out and about doing something (work for the dole)you may meat a possible workmate ,buisness partner etc..........fork me's comment just hits the nail on the head , we have created a generation of well-fare livers........and we can't knock our own people back when we are serving up all the "NEWCOMERS"....massive f*** up .........just ask yourselves where is all the money coming from and how long can it last...??

Which comment? I haven't even vaguely suggested that anything you've said in this post is reasonable.