UKIP Foster Parents

[Pretty pink fairy]

Net immigration is running at about 200,000 a year. Can the country 'afford' it, the answer depends on the skills and work ethic of those that come to the country. Recent economic analysis indicates that migrants contribute more to the economy than they consume, so they are in fact subsidising the indigenous population.

The government has set a target of 100,000 a year, as it is a nice round number, apart from that, there is no logic to it.

WOULD HELP IF THEY SHIPPED OUT THE illegals first though , oh hold on they don't know where half of them are .

 

[Nibble]

Cant believe whats happening in our country - they should be sacked for making this decision

I will be voting UKIP as its the only party that will get us out of Europe and stop the influx of immigrants - one British job going to an Eastern European is too many; 2 million is completely unacceptable

And why are we getting EU Migrants children in our system to be fostered in the first place - they need to be placed in the country where they come from

I'm assuming the reason they were fostered in the first place was because "Where they come from" is not a suitable place for them to be? Just a thought.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I'm assuming the reason they were fostered in the first place was because "Where they come from" is not a suitable place for them to be? Just a thought.

that's fine, everyone come to the UK we'll look after you

 

[El Presidente]

isn't it about time we left the EU ?

There is no economic benefit in doing so.

You only want to do that because you are a racist.

 

[cunning fergus]

UKIP's policies are here: Immigration and Asylum: UKIP Policy - UK Independence Party and include jailing those fleeing persecution and torture, exiting the EU and removing the residency rights of EU citizens, discriminating against working class migrants, removing any human rights protection for UK citizens and residents and a variety of other Monday Club frothing at the mouth nonsense.

They are a legal party and people are free to support and vote for them. The rest of us are equally free to regard them as repellent far right racist nut jobs.

Assuming that much of this tantrum is accurate, can you explain to an old school British born working class socialist what the downsides are with a political party advocating a policy that discriminates against working class immigrants in favour of UK workers.

This is the type of policy that the unions and the Labour Party should be naturally supporting.......they always did in the past. Even Gordon once supported British jobs for British workers.

 

[cunning fergus]

I'm assuming the reason they were fostered in the first place was because "Where they come from" is not a suitable place for them to be? Just a thought.

Given the problems that Council agencies in certain northern towns and cities are having protecting children in their care I doubt Rotherham is a suitable place for any child to be............just a thought.

 

[Seasidesage]

I would no more vote UKIP or BNP then cut my arm off with a rusty saw, but judging prospective foster parents on their political beliefs is disgusting and the council should be ashamed of themselves. This is the sort of increasingly controlling, intrusive decision being taken by authorities of all political colours with little or no regard to the people they profess to serve...

 

[El Presidente]

Assuming that much of this tantrum is accurate, can you explain to an old school British born working class socialist what the downsides are with a political party advocating a policy that discriminates against working class immigrants in favour of UK workers.

This is the type of policy that the unions and the Labour Party should be naturally supporting.......they always did in the past. Even Gordon once supported British jobs for British workers.

I don't see any issue with a party promoting work for the indigenous labour force. Having an indigenous labour force who want to work and are prepared to do the shit things well that many migrants do to a decent standard is another thing.

Why are there so many Polish plumbers and electricians? It's because (a) many (not all) locals do a shit job (as I have found to my cost on more than one occasion), and (b) there is a sense of entitlement without effort from people coming into the labour market, who also look down their noses at any job that involved getting their hands dirty.

If you talk to anyone who works in the building trade, they don't WANT to take on Poles, but they want someone reliable, competent and professional. I interviewed for three posts recently, all paying £45k, and only managed to fill one, because the standard of applicants was so poor, and have had to re-advertise the positions.

 

[El Presidente]

I would no more vote UKIP or BNP then cut my arm off with a rusty saw, but judging prospective foster parents on their political beliefs is disgusting and the council should be ashamed of themselves. This is the sort of increasingly controlling, intrusive decision being taken by authorities of all political colours with little or no regard to the people they profess to serve...

If ever a THIS was deserved, it is THIS.

IF the sole reason the foster parents were rejected was due to being UKIP voters then it is way out of line.

 

[melias shoes]

I certainly am prejudiced against people who hold the values that UKIP do, yes very much so.

Don't you realise that makes you a bigot?

 

[Dandyman]

Typical left wing case of reading what is actually said, taking it to an extreme and that claiming it as fact.

Identify anything that I said that is false.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I would no more vote UKIP or BNP then cut my arm off with a rusty saw,

Oh good, yet another person making sweeping statements about UKIP and the BNP being the same without an ounce of evidence.

 

[El Presidente]

Oh good, yet another person making sweeping statements about UKIP and the BNP being the same without an ounce of evidence.

As I said before

1: They are both seek to draw support on a single issue
2: They both have economic policies that are embarrassingly amateurish and fail at the first hurdle of scrutiny.

 

[Dandyman]

Assuming that much of this tantrum is accurate, can you explain to an old school British born working class socialist what the downsides are with a political party advocating a policy that discriminates against working class immigrants in favour of UK workers.

This is the type of policy that the unions and the Labour Party should be naturally supporting.......they always did in the past. Even Gordon once supported British jobs for British workers.

Firstly socialism is built on the unity of the working class not on setting on false divisions. Secondly the discrimination is between those migrants who have made a massive contribution to the NHS, public transport and when they existed the manufacturing and textile industries whom UKIP want to ban and the motley collection of high net worth Russian gangsters and Arab arms dealers whom, they are happy to let in rather than the British working class.

UKIPs attitude to British workers is here: Small Business: UKIP Policy - UK Independence Party and in their own words "UKIP would put an end to most legislation regarding matters such as weekly working hours, holidays and holiday, overtime, redundancy or sick pay etc" - Welcome to Mitt Romney with a British accent.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

include jailing those fleeing persecution and torture

Already happens and did so under Labour as well and rightly so. Once proven they are valid then they are released. Not sure how that is racist - it happens in many, many countries.

exiting the EU and removing the residency rights of EU citizens

OK, this is correct. Not sure what is wrong ( or racist ) about that. Anyone outside the EU can't just roll up and expect residency and nor could you or I if we travelled to the US, Australia, China, Egypt, South Africa, India, Brazil and dozens of other countries. Your point being ?

removing any human rights protection for UK citizens and residents

The human rights act is a farce and even the current government and Labour want it changed. Withdraw and write our own. Loads of left wing hot air on this one !!!!!

The rest of us are equally free to regard them as repellent far right racist nut jobs.

Still not a drop of evidence of ANY racist policies but you carry on with your looney left outbursts ( see, we can all make wild statements with no actual evidence ! ).

Identify anything that I said that is false.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Secondly the discrimination is between those migrants who have made a massive contribution to the NHS, public transport and when they existed the manufacturing and textile industries whom UKIP want to ban and the motley collection of high net worth Russian gangsters and Arab arms dealers whom, they are happy to let in rather than the British working class.

Now you know, having read the policy, that this isn't true ! UKIP are proposing a ban on all immigration for 5 years for ANYONE and after that to only allow 50,000 in per year. Rather selective on your behalf and some downright leftie bollocks.

 

[Seasidesage]

Oh good, yet another person making sweeping statements about UKIP and the BNP being the same without an ounce of evidence.

Not what I said at all. I just wouldn't vote for them, you can add the Tory's and Green's to that number, in fact I am rapidly running out of parties that I would even consider, no wonder people no longer bother with voting...

We have a political elite who regardless of the party involved, no longer even attempt to represent working people and their views...

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Not what I said at all. I just wouldn't vote for them, you can add the Tory's and Green's to that number, in fact I am rapidly running out of parties that I would even consider, no wonder people no longer bother with voting...

We have a political elite who regardless of the party involved, no longer even attempt to represent working people and their views...

BUT you named UKIP and BNP in the same sentence thus implying they were the same.

 

[cunning fergus]

I don't see any issue with a party promoting work for the indigenous labour force. Having an indigenous labour force who want to work and are prepared to do the shit things well that many migrants do to a decent standard is another thing.

Why are there so many Polish plumbers and electricians? It's because (a) many (not all) locals do a shit job (as I have found to my cost on more than one occasion), and (b) there is a sense of entitlement without effort from people coming into the labour market, who also look down their noses at any job that involved getting their hands dirty.

If you talk to anyone who works in the building trade, they don't WANT to take on Poles, but they want someone reliable, competent and professional. I interviewed for three posts recently, all paying £45k, and only managed to fill one, because the standard of applicants was so poor, and have had to re-advertise the positions.

Taking the first point, we agree then, there is nothing wrong with a political party protecting their indigenous labour force. The nub of this policy is that the people that need protecting are not the skilled work force like brain surgeons and commercial pilots, but those lower down the scale.......those in predominantly working class trades and the low skilled.

I emphatically disagree with your convenient stereotyping of the British working class as being unwilling to work, do any job that involves getting their hands dirty or do the job to a lower standard than immigrants. At best this is inaccurate, at worst just rank bigotry.

I know plenty of people in Brighton and elsewhere who work in the building trade and in the last 7 years or so they have had to chase less and less work against more and more competitors, including of course those from Eastern Europe. In many cases in order to compete they have resulted to paying cash in hand to other workers and going cash only for the job itself. Profit margins are down and ergo so are their wage levels.

None of this is good for the wider economy and definitely not for the British born working class, and therefore we should discriminate against immigrants who create over supply in the labour markets. Therefore in this particular issue UKIP are right, the only people that would support pan European free labour markets are capitalists and the bourgeoise.

As for the sense of entitlement and low skill base of the UK workforce I agree to a point, but an over generous welfare state and an education policy over the last 10 years that has driven tens of thousands of mediocre kids into mediocre universities to get mediocre degrees whilst running up tens of thousands of pounds in debt has not helped.

 

[Dandyman]

Already happens and did so under Labour as well and rightly so. Once proven they are valid then they are released. Not sure how that is racist - it happens in many, many countries.



OK, this is correct. Not sure what is wrong ( or racist ) about that. Anyone outside the EU can't just roll up and expect residency and nor could you or I if we travelled to the US, Australia, China, Egypt, South Africa, India, Brazil and dozens of other countries. Your point being ?



The human rights act is a farce and even the current government and Labour want it changed. Withdraw and write our own. Loads of left wing hot air on this one !!!!!



Still not a drop of evidence of ANY racist policies but you carry on with your looney left outbursts ( see, we can all make wild statements with no actual evidence ! ).

So in fact you can't fault any of my substantive points.