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[Albion] Tuchel announces his first England squad tomorrow, are we expecting any Brighton players to make the cut?..



mejonaNO12 aka riskit

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Hinsh and Beadle in the U21 squad - joining Harwood Bellis, Lewis, Branthwaite, and Wharton who have been demoted from the senior team.


That is one hell of a u21 team

Loads of CERTAIN future England (full squad) players in there
 




Stato

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We all hope that Jack Hinshelwood will be a long term option for England, but it would be very previous picking him now. He's only played once in CM for the U21s. With Miley, Dibling, Gray and Bellingham, he's one of the younger players in that group. He needs to be allowed to get his feet under the table there and to continue to perform for the Albion without having the sort of expectation that an early call up to the seniors would create.
 


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We all hope that Jack Hinshelwood will be a long term option for England, but it would be very previous picking him now. He's only played once in CM for the U21s. With Miley, Dibling, Gray and Bellingham, he's one of the younger players in that group. He needs to be allowed to get his feet under the table there and to continue to perform for the Albion without having the sort of expectation that an early call up to the seniors would create.
Miley and Dibling are with the U19s this month notably.
 


Brian Munich

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I think he has done well defensively for England but a fair bit of the GASH build-up is due to him and Pickford.
Pickford definitely. I always thought that the emphasis on having a keeper that can play a bit, even if not necessarily the best shot stopper, was overplayed a bit. However, when you saw Pickford in last summer's team where all 10 outfield players were comfortable with the ball, the weak link was tangible.
 






Stato

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Yes I think you're really struggling separating club and International form. when Maguire has played for England he has, in the main, been exceptional. I don't watch Man Utd so can't comment on club form
No, I was talking about England. Ironically, all the whispering in hushed tones about whether players are 'world class' or 'international class' overlooks the fact that the overwhelming majority of international matches are actually against players of lower standard than those who you would face playing regularly in the EPL or the ECL. Maguire's strength and athleticism has meant that he's always been fine when he's played the minor nations. His lack of positional intelligence and poor press resistance have made him a liability when he has had to face international opponents who are full of players from the big four leagues. You're right in the sense that he'd look better because this challenge is less frequent in international games than it is in his club football, but whenever he has had to meet it for his country, he's generally been found wanting.
 








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Not having Harwood Bellis on that list.

Not a good player at all, IMO
I said it on the basis that he'd already played for the full England team. I am conscious that he's had a poor season though.
 


Kalimantan Gull

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Well if you are comparing him with Shaw, then you are considering him there as a LEFT BACK? He is a calamity at left back, and England could never possibly win a game against any competent opposition, with Burn playing there.

Evidence= MY EYES, watching the big oaf struggle through countless Albion games.
Thing with Dan Burn is that he was always a back up for us, and always played at left back, and did indeed often struggle. But then there was a run of games he had, I think leading up to his transfer, when Webster was injured, and Burn became our regular centre-back for the first time - and I remember thinking how GOOD he actually was there. He'd virtually never played there for us but when he got settled he was good.

But we always knew he was only the back up, and thus the transfer to Newcastle didn't bother us that much.

So (1) - he never played CB that much at Brighton, but when he did he was good, and (2) he has definitely improved since being at Newcastle. He became a regular in a team that finished top 4, that played in the Champions League, that is about to play its second Wembley final in two years, hes definitely improved. And I would probably have him in a first choice Albion XI right now alongside van Hecke. I like playing the 'first choice XI if we hadn't sold anyone' game, and he's been in there for a while
 


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Thing with Dan Burn is that he was always a back up for us, and always played at left back, and did indeed often struggle. But then there was a run of games he had, I think leading up to his transfer, when Webster was injured, and Burn became our regular centre-back for the first time - and I remember thinking how GOOD he actually was there. He'd virtually never played there for us but when he got settled he was good.

But we always knew he was only the back up, and thus the transfer to Newcastle didn't bother us that much.

So (1) - he never played CB that much at Brighton, but when he did he was good, and (2) he has definitely improved since being at Newcastle. He became a regular in a team that finished top 4, that played in the Champions League, that is about to play its second Wembley final in two years, hes definitely improved. And I would probably have him in a first choice Albion XI right now alongside van Hecke. I like playing the 'first choice XI if we hadn't sold anyone' game, and he's been in there for a while
There's a huge difference between that and playing against Mbappe in a World Cup final when Burn will be 34. And the only reason Tuchel was given the job was to get us that far. He's a good lad but he's not a world class international player. Mind you, neither are a lot of others in that squad.
 




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Hinsh and Beadle in the U21 squad - joining Harwood Bellis, Lewis, Branthwaite, and Wharton who have been demoted from the senior team.


To be brutally honest, I'd far rather watch that U-21 squad play than the same tired old regulars trot out some routine wins in World Cup qualifying and the Nations League. Don't get me wrong, I'm pleased for Burn, and it's great for the likes of Rogers, Quansah and Livramento to get a break into the team, but the rest is predictably "meh".

Marcus Rashford, Reece James and Jordan Henderson have not earned a recall, in my opinion. They're precisely the reason why hiring a short term boss is a bad idea for the future of this England team. He's bringing in players he knows, not players that have earned the shirt.

I guess it's back to forgetting when England are playing again and tuning in for the World Cup. Pessimistic as it sounds, if this squad remains similar over the next 18 months, there's no chance we win that.

Luckily for me, I've always been Brighton over England in terms of where my passion lies, and that's paying dividends nicely
 


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Pickford definitely. I always thought that the emphasis on having a keeper that can play a bit, even if not necessarily the best shot stopper, was overplayed a bit. However, when you saw Pickford in last summer's team where all 10 outfield players were comfortable with the ball, the weak link was tangible.
It's proven that, for England, it's essential the goalkeeper is consistent and has (international) experience under his belt. Otherwise you could make the same mistake as Crapello, with the (ironically) named 'Ǵreen' (vUSA 2010). Don't remember Pickford making any such costly clanger?
 
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Thing with Dan Burn is that he was always a back up for us, and always played at left back, and did indeed often struggle. But then there was a run of games he had, I think leading up to his transfer, when Webster was injured, and Burn became our regular centre-back for the first time - and I remember thinking how GOOD he actually was there. He'd virtually never played there for us but when he got settled he was good.

But we always knew he was only the back up, and thus the transfer to Newcastle didn't bother us that much.

So (1) - he never played CB that much at Brighton, but when he did he was good, and (2) he has definitely improved since being at Newcastle. He became a regular in a team that finished top 4, that played in the Champions League, that is about to play its second Wembley final in two years, hes definitely improved. And I would probably have him in a first choice Albion XI right now alongside van Hecke. I like playing the 'first choice XI if we hadn't sold anyone' game, and he's been in there for a while
Your points are all fair.

However, if I were personally picking an XI from current and former Albion players (still playing) he'd be absolutely nowhere near it!

At centre back, he'd be behind JPVH, Dunk, Webster, Colwill and White. Not sure about Igor.
At left back he'd be miles behind Cucurella and Estupinan, and also behind Bernardo, Lamptey, and probably Pascal and Hinshelwood,
 




Kalimantan Gull

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Your points are all fair.

However, if I were personally picking an XI from current and former Albion players (still playing) he'd be absolutely nowhere near it!

At centre back, he'd be behind JPVH, Dunk, Webster, Colwill and White.
At left back he'd be miles behind Cucurella and Estupinan, and also behind Bernardo, Lamptey, and probably Pascal and Hinshelwood,
White would be my right back and Cucurella my left. Obviously van Hecke the first CB on the list, and until recently he was next to Dunk - but as Dunk's form dipped this year so Burn came in to the XI. Never thought I'd say it. Now, Webster has certainly made a case over the last month - but for me Burn still edges it as he is a left-footer. Colwill was never our player, so isn't in the running, but I would still have Burn over Colwill based on the latter's performances this season for Chelsea.

But you can disregard everything I say as I still have Sanchez as the keeper :p

Sanchez
White Van Hecke Burn Cucurella
Minteh Caicedo MacAllister Mitoma
Pedro Gyokeres

subs Verbruggen Dunk Veltman Baleba Gross Trossard Welbeck
 


mejonaNO12 aka riskit

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the same tired old regulars
of the 22 outfield players, here are 18 of them. Which of these are "the same tired old players"?

Defenders: Dan Burn (Newcastle), Levi Colwill (Chelsea), Marc Guehi (Crystal Palace),, Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Myles Lewis-Skelly (Arsenal), Tino Livramento (Newcastle), Jarell Quansah (Liverpool),


Midfielders: Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid), Eberechi Eze (Crystal Palace), Curtis Jones (Liverpool), Cole Palmer (Chelsea), Morgan Rogers (Aston Villa), Declan Rice (Arsenal).

Forwards: Jarrod Bowen (West Ham), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle), Phil Foden (Manchester City), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), Dominic Solanke (Tottenham).


As ever with England squads, people ignore that TWENTY SIX players are picked and focus on the 2 or 3 they don't like.

A team of

Pickford
Livramento
Colwill
Guehi
Lewis-Skelly
Rice
Bellingham
Gordon
Kane
Palmer

would hardly be seen as full of tired old players

The turnover of young players coming into the england set up over the last few years has been massive, yet people still have this belief that the squad never changes. I'd argue Guehi, Bellingham and Palmer are key players now. All under 24. Saka would be a key one, 23. Rice is a long standing player now, he's still only 26.

There are around 16 players in this squad who weren't at the last world cup.
 
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Pavilionaire

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My biggest disappointment with that squad is that Wharton is not in it.

He's a terrific player, two-footed, intelligent, moves the ball quickly to the attacking players, i.e. stuff that Rice and Henderson can't and won't do.

Trying to be positive, I like Morgan Rogers and I'm pleased for Dan Burn. I'm also pleased that Maguire and Grealish don't feature.

On the negative side, Walker, Rashford, Henderson, Quansah and Colwill are all very lucky to be in that squad.
 






jackalbion

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of the 22 outfield players, here are 18 of them. Which of these are "the same tired old players"?

Defenders: Dan Burn (Newcastle), Levi Colwill (Chelsea), Marc Guehi (Crystal Palace),, Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Myles Lewis-Skelly (Arsenal), Tino Livramento (Newcastle), Jarell Quansah (Liverpool),


Midfielders: Jude Bellingham (Real Madrid), Eberechi Eze (Crystal Palace), Curtis Jones (Liverpool), Cole Palmer (Chelsea), Morgan Rogers (Aston Villa), Declan Rice (Arsenal).

Forwards: Jarrod Bowen (West Ham), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle), Phil Foden (Manchester City), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), Dominic Solanke (Tottenham).


As ever with England squads, people ignore that TWENTY SIX players are picked and focus on the 2 or 3 they don't like.

A team of

Pickford
Livramento
Colwill
Guehi
Lewis-Skelly
Rice
Bellingham
Gordon
Kane
Palmer

would hardly be seen as full of tired old players

The turnover of young players coming into the england set up over the last few years has been massive, yet people still have this belief that the squad never changes. I'd argue Guehi, Bellingham and Palmer are key players now. All under 24. Saka would be a key one, 23. Rice is a long standing player now, he's still only 26.

There are around 16 players in this squad who weren't at the last world cup.
The Big Question is, do they know the national anthem?
 


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