[News] Trouble in The Dam

[jcdenton08]

Wow definitely nothing they did to antagonise the situation at all!

There’s a lot more clips like this, including burning Palestinian flags and charging (seemingly) peaceful protestors. It’s a shit show and the police have a lot to answer for

 

[Ali_rrr]

I've been watching this all day on the news and via radio.
I think I can honestly say that Amsterdam and the Ajax fans were the friendliest of all the teams we played in Europe.
Shared metro trains to and from the ground. My disabled mate was taken through the home stand and no problems. A great welcome from those in the town. What was it, 6000+ Albion in town and I didn't see or hear any problems, even when we beat them. The after party in the centre went perfectly.
So I say to all the press, stop mentioning football. It may well have been a segment of the Maccabi fans who went looking for trouble, the same as a small contingent of Amsterdam idiots may have thought the same. But it was not football fans fighting football fans.

I don’t know how many times it needs to be said but it absolutely wasn’t anything to do with Ajax or any football fans for that matter.

 

[borat]

It beggars belief that Israeli teams are allowed to participate in European tournaments

 

[Seagull58]

 

[Justice]

Agree about reputation but not every fan following a club is an ultra and I suspect it's often the non violent ones that get targeted.

This is rarely ever the case the elements of clubs want to fight the other elements of clubs who are into violence.
Occasionally it happens but that’s not really the name of the game to pick on a scarfer so to speak and would be frowned upon.

 

[jackanada]

There's a lot of unjustifiable violence in there but also a fair smattering of "f***ed around and found out".

 

[Greenbag50]

Agree with the last bit. Absolutely sick of the middle east and their horrendous never ending wars.

Having read both sides seems like both sets of fans as bad as each other !!

Strangely daily mail ran a story attributing more blame to tel aviv fans

Israeli football thugs tear down Palestine flags in Amsterdam

Videos show dozens of hooded figures dressed fully in black cheering and cnahting 'f*** you Palestine' and 'ole' as one climbed halfway up the front of a building and removed a flag.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Oooohhh climbed up a flagpole and ripped a flag down….tough guy…
Deserves to chase down a street and hounded, asked for ID, then beaten up by a mob then….

 

[dwayne]

Oooohhh climbed up a flagpole and ripped a flag down….tough guy…
Deserves to chase down a street and hounded, asked for ID, then beaten up by a mob then….

You're a football fan !! You know Tel Aviv have a rep. They were causing trouble all day in Amsterdam before the game, smashing up taxis and scuffling with taxi drivers. What did you think was gonna happen.... The other side would just take it lying down.

The reporting of this is quite scarily one sided ..... You've even got biden jumping on the bandwagon now.

Bizarre

 

[SeagullinExile]

It beggars belief that Israeli teams are allowed to participate in European tournaments

Should be banned until they leave the occupied territories. No better than Russia IMO.

 

[jackalbion]

You're a football fan !! You know Tel Aviv have a rep. They were causing trouble all day in Amsterdam before the game, smashing up taxis and scuffling with taxi drivers. What did you think was gonna happen.... The other side would just take it lying down.

The reporting of this is quite scarily one sided ..... You've even got biden jumping on the bandwagon now.

Bizarre

You’re quite Clearly suiting your own agenda, surprise, surprise the same people have turned up again and completely made it about themselves, as they do on every thread about this subject.

 

[London Irish]

A bunch of notorious fascist hoolies being made out to be Anne Frank by world leaders. I've never seen such an industrial scale of lying in all my life, every day brings new record highs of screaming bullshit, all to defend tens of thousands of Palestinian families being shredded alive

 

[jackalbion]

Too busy laugh reacting to read.

Too busy laughing at the only person in this conversation (that I know of) in recent years, who has been beaten unconscious and stabbed, in football related violence, who is of Jewish decent.

 

[raymondo]

Whatever happened to kindness?

It's still there, just less visible in both social media and mainstream press IMO. It goes under the radar now.

 

[S.T.U cgull]

Agree about reputation but not every fan following a club is an ultra and I suspect it's often the non violent ones that get targeted.

There were (and still probably are) fans in this country who didn't like their clubs signing black players or even more ridiculously hated the oppositions black players but 'tolerated' their own. It's not that long ago that bananas were thrown on pitches. But again nowhere near the majority.

Its also not that long ago when English fans were very anti Irish because of the Troubles and they were pretty minor to what is going on in the ME.

What went on is wrong on many levels and sides and for someone to say the beatings were ok because their fans generally have a bad reputation is monstrous.

Other comments on here that this isn't to be viewed solely through a football disorder lens are spot on..

There is a large North African / Middle Eastern diaspora in Amsterdam (as seen after Morocco’s run to the WC semi’s a few years back)… confronted with reports of some rather nationalist Israeli ultras going to a game.

Some of those Maccabi fans are men who will know people involved in the war.. but are probably less likely to be sympathetic or see the real picture of what is happening to the civilians. They are indoctrinated.

In any case, I dont think you can go around a city tearing down flags (be that of the host country, or clearly somewhere that some local residents care about) and not expect trouble afterwards.

Would also add - has been some trouble within dutch football fanbases between groups of their own supporters with Jewish / Islamic backgrounds since the war started

 

[dwayne]

You’re quite Clearly suiting your own agenda, surprise, surprise the same people have turned up again and completely made it about themselves, as they do on every thread about this subject.

Not really. As you can see from other threads I'm not really a loony lefty! And I've been sympathetic to israels cause. I would rather the whole thing was kept out of Europe to be honest.

I just found this story really interesting and the way the media have portrayed it.

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

This is worth a read. The Amsterdam police chief says, “Israeli supporters had removed a Palestinian flag from a wall and set it alight and attacked a taxi, although there had been no further trouble until the following night”.

From the mayor, "I am deeply ashamed of the behaviour that unfolded," Halsema told reporters. "On Telegram [messaging] groups people talked of going to hunt down Jews. It's so terrible I can't find the words for it."

“Going to hunt down Jews”. What happened after the match is nothing to do with two sets of ‘ultras’ having a mutual punch up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2y33ee1klo

 

[wellquickwoody]

Is it possible for Macabbi and Celtic to meet further into the competition?

I would take on a streaming subscription to watch that.

 

[jackalbion]

Not really. As you can see from other threads I'm not really a loony lefty! And I've been sympathetic to israels cause. I would rather the whole thing was kept out of Europe to be honest.

I just found this story really interesting and the way the media have portrayed it.

Sorry I was doing a poor attempt at sarcasm there.

 

[dwayne]

This is worth a read. The Amsterdam police chief says, “Israeli supporters had removed a Palestinian flag from a wall and set it alight and attacked a taxi, although there had been no further trouble until the following night”.

From the mayor, "I am deeply ashamed of the behaviour that unfolded," Halsema told reporters. "On Telegram [messaging] groups people talked of going to hunt down Jews. It's so terrible I can't find the words for it."

“Going to hunt down Jews”. What happened after the match is nothing to do with two sets of ‘ultras’ having a mutual punch up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2y33ee1klo

Fair enough....

 

[Pretty Plnk Fairy]

#Bantz

Regards

DF