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I would say it's more the job of the Fire & Rescue Service tbf?
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[News] Tragedy in Solihull
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Cornwallboy
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- Oct 13, 2022
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Fair point but I think whoever was on the scene first had a duty to try and save the lives of the children.
No, it IS their job. If my grandson fell through the ice and a police office was first on the scene and just stood there shaking their head saying "it's not my job" I would be, well, less than pleased. I would expect them to risk their life to save a small boy. Bloody hell I would, I couldn't live with myself otherwise.
Cornwallboy
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Exactly, very well said. I wonder if @Herr Tubthumper will treat this post with the 'f me' contempt my similar post received?
Cornwallboy
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A rattled Mr Pompous.
theboybilly
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Yes it is reasonable. I, like most of my generation, were out from morning until dusk playing football and up to all sorts. I think the main thing was I was always in a group of some sorts so there was a degree of protection there. I didn't venture far, just around the block or to the local park a few hundred yards away. Never once batted an eyelid about it and only once, after staying out a little too long after dark, did I cause my dear Mum anguish (boy do I remember the tongue lashing) . You've got to let kids be kids otherwise they'll not experience any sort of worthwhile childhood.
You could say that about anybody who was on the scene though. It's literally not the policeman's job, in the sense that it's not what they're paid or trained for.
To be clear, that doesn't make the actions of the rescue services who do actually have that job any less brave or heroic, when they go into dangerous situations.
So is risk assessment and Health and Safety. If they risk their lives, 1). it's over and above the call of duty, and 2). they'll probably get a bollocking from their superior for not making a risk assessment and ignoring Health and Safety!
Leekbrookgull
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Tragic incidents have happened involving members of the public where there emergency services have failed to act immediately due waiting for authorisation, Sunday's dreadful events saw the emergency services at their best with members of those services acting first and thinking second. I only hope that none of those attempting to rescue those children are called before management to justify their actions.
Thunder Bolt
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The problem is only one boy actually put his leg through the ice. The other two drowned or froze to death trying to save him. Unless you have the equipment to save them from the pond, you are just throwing your life away needlessly. The minimum needed is a rope.
Cornwallboy
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Surely trying to save lives should come before a risk assessment? To me it's f**k to the risk assessment and wade in and try and save the lives of little ones.
If you were first on the scene what would you have done?
Cornwallboy
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I'm not employed as a Police officer as I have no desire to put my risk life to earn a living. I admire those that do work in the emergency services but I think if that is something you choose to do you have to accept the role carries an element of risk.
Curryisgreat
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f*** me.
Oh blimey, that's horrendous. How old was she?
Cornwallboy
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What do you mean by that?
Reasonable to let an 8 year old out around water, without an adult present? Each to their own, but I don't think so. And there was a 6 year old there too - were they with an adult?
Reading some of the other posts I see that asking questions has been deemed inappropriate by some. I played on an icy lake when I was young like most people my age in the area at the time. Regardless of whether or not there were adults there, this is of course an awful tragedy. Some of the first replies to this thread mention how they've had it drilled into them to stay away from frozen lakes etc. Is it a bad thing if we promote the concept that young children shouldn't be allowed to play near frozen bodies of water in the future, without adults present (and able to keep them off)? I don't want to offend the families of the children (and have no doubt they won't be reading my posts) and my questions/point of view is intended for us all to think about the safety of children, and perhaps reduce these dangers in the future.
I'm not sure it's helpful for us all to say RIP and never question anything.
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oldboyroy
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Exactly, most of us God forbid, will never be put in that situation
Just to be clear, am I right in thinking, based on your posts above:
You don't think the emergency services deserve any praise for risking their lives to save others,
You think any member of the emergency services should jump in to save somebody in distress, regardless of whether they are trained or equipped to do so, or whether their actual job in any way applies to the situation at hand,
You personally would not be willing to risk your life in a similar situation (which to be fair is a level of honesty that is, in itself, admirable).