[News] Tragedy in Solihull

[GT49er]

Which is why I was asking the question

Does it matter? They could have been nearby, calling to them to come away from that ice. Besides, do we really need to have someone to blame? Sympathy more appropriate.

 

[Greenbag50]

Does it matter? They could have been nearby, calling to them to come away from that ice. Besides, do we really need t have someone to blame? Sympathy more appropriate.

I’m not apportioning blame at all. I’m asking an open ended question as to whether the parents were present.

 

[Motogull]

This is so upsetting.

For a few seconds they must have been loving the fun but then the obvious happened. I hope the suffering was minimal for them.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

The concept of Water being dangerous (especially at this time of year) should be drilled into Children.

When I did my North Sea Offshore survival course I was told some people die straight away from Cold Water Shock on immersion, that you have no more than 10 minutes to death in normal clothing and even with a Survival Suit you are lucky to do 30 minutes.

Combination of the diving reflex when cold wet water hits the face (which slows the heart) and fear (which causes adrenaline to activate the heart) triggers lethal cardiac arrhythmias. Reported cases where military helicopters crash into the sea - personnel dead without injuries or, indeed, without water in the lungs. A couple of my mates have done research on this.

Also, on this rare occasion, I agree with @Leekbrookgull. If people don't realize they need to tell their kids not to play on the notoriously thin and treacherous English ice, a reminder might be wise.

That said....one may argue that, though tragic for those concerned, this is an isolated incident. To put it into context, on average, one child in the UK is killed every week by one of their parents (the 'father' in 90% of cases).

 

[LamieRobertson]

I’m not apportioning blame at all. I’m asking an open ended question as to whether the parents were present.

..but why ask? Why do you need to know ..seems rather strange to me ..shrug…but lets not make this thread about your question out of respect to those who have died

…anyway one child has now been named…and its said his grandfather tried to rescue him

 

[Coalburner]

..but why ask? Why do you need to know ..seems rather strange to me ..shrug…but lets not make this thread about your question out of respect to those who have died

…anyway one child has now been named…and its said his grandfather tried to rescue him

A dreadful tragedy like this, which has left families in torment, and the pious on her show no awareness of the hurt caused to the families and friends of those who died in an accident, and instead look for soneone to blame for it happening. For heavens sake show some compassion

 

[Greenbag50]

..but why ask? Why do you need to know ..seems rather strange to me ..shrug…but lets not make this thread about your question out of respect to those who have died

…anyway one child has now been named…and its said his grandfather tried to rescue him

To me it’s a fairly obvious question, but yes I agree; thread shouldn’t be about my question.
Any child who dies, regardless of how, is a tragic event.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

A dreadful tragedy like this, which has left families in torment, and the pious on her show no awareness of the hurt caused to the families and friends of those who died in an accident, and instead look for soneone to blame for it happening. For heavens sake show some compassion

It’s a thread on a football forum of some second-rate obscure professional club, not a church eulogy, why do people get so sanctimonious, it’s as if people just love getting outraged and up on their high horses and try shouting down anyone who dares deviate from an RIP or what they don’t deem to be a suitably respectful response, and all the usual suspects pile in with their moral indignation. No one was saying it isn’t an absolute tragedy, nor intentionally displaying ‘a lack of awareness.’

 

[GT49er]

It’s a thread on a football forum of some second-rate obscure professional club, not a church eulogy, why do people get so sanctimonious, it’s as if people just love getting outraged and up on their high horses and try shouting down anyone who dares deviate from an RIP or what they don’t deem to be a suitably respectful response, and all the usual suspects pile in with their moral indignation. No one was saying it isn’t an absolute tragedy, nor intentionally displaying ‘a lack of awareness.’

A tad OTT there!

Was there sanctimony? No!
Eulogy? No!
High Horses? No!
Usual suspects? No, not really. Usually suspected of what, in this case?
21st. century blame culture ("where were the parents?") stuck its oar in, and recieved an appropriate riposte. That's all.

Oh - and "second-rate obscure professional club" - are you sure you're on the right forum?

 

[jakarta]

Combination of the diving reflex when cold wet water hits the face (which slows the heart) and fear (which causes adrenaline to activate the heart) triggers lethal cardiac arrhythmias. Reported cases where military helicopters crash into the sea - personnel dead without injuries or, indeed, without water in the lungs. A couple of my mates have done research on this.

Also, on this rare occasion, I agree with @Leekbrookgull. If people don't realize they need to tell their kids not to play on the notoriously thin and treacherous English ice, a reminder might be wise.

That said....one may argue that, though tragic for those concerned, this is an isolated incident. To put it into context, on average, one child in the UK is killed every week by one of their parents (the 'father' in 90% of cases).

I realised after my HUET Training that very cold water plus shock means death unless you are very lucky e.g. have crashed by a Support Vessel.

Can't recommend HUET as a fun day out BTW.

 

[oldboyroy]

Living fairly local to the tragedy 1 lads leg fell through the ice and the 3 other friends went to help him and all fell in costing 2 of them their lives and 1 still critical. Questions as to where the parents were and why they were there etc etc I get but kids like many of us when we were kids simply love to go and have fun in the snow like they did yesterday. RIP little 1s.

 

[Lenny Rider]

It was a tragedy, but an avoidable one. I believe the kids were all 11 and younger. Were their parents supervising or even with them?

The post above from oldboyRoy compounds this tragedy even more

 

[el punal]

Remember getting a bollocking as a kid for doing precisely that at same age. There but for the grace of god…

There was a report on BBC news about kids on a frozen lake in York. Apparently they were trying to break the ice with a scooter. Luckily, the police were at the scene and reminded the children of “life choices”. Bearing in mind this incident happened after the Solihull tragedy.

 

[Cornwallboy]

A very sad news story, made worse with xmas approaching. Obviously it is something that could have been avoided but kids will be kids.

Sounds like there was little hope once they pulled them out and they probably spent the time bringing their temperature slowly back to normal. There's a horrible but true saying, you're not dead until till you're warm and dead.

Praise to the Police that entered the water to try and save them. Credit to the fire service as well although they did have the benefit of special equipment which the Police didn't.

That's their job.

 

[portlock seagull]

That's their job.

No, no it isn’t. They do not need to forfeit their lives to save others. They made a choice to try and save others at a considerable risk to themselves. A lot of difference. Btw, you make it sound like they’re bank cashiers (“it’s their job”, boldest too! Dear oh dear…)

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

That's their job.

f*** me.

 

[Cornwallboy]

No, no it isn’t. They do not need to forfeit their lives to save others. They made a choice to try and save others at a considerable risk to themselves. A lot of difference. Btw, you make it sound like they’re bank cashiers (“it’s their job”, boldest too! Dear oh dear…)

Yes it is. I didn't say they 'need to forfeit their lives to save others' but it is part of their job to enter dangerous environments to try and save jobs.

 

[Cornwallboy]

f*** me.

Were you in the Cambridge university SU debating society?? '

 

[Cornwallboy]

No, no it isn’t. They do not need to forfeit their lives to save others. They made a choice to try and save others at a considerable risk to themselves. A lot of difference. Btw, you make it sound like they’re bank cashiers (“it’s their job”, boldest too! Dear oh dear…)

So if it isn't their job what course of action would you suggest they should've taken when they arrived at the scene?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

A tad OTT there!

Was there sanctimony? No!
Eulogy? No!
High Horses? No!
Usual suspects? No, not really. Usually suspected of what, in this case?
21st. century blame culture ("where were the parents?") stuck its oar in, and recieved an appropriate riposte. That's all.

Oh - and "second-rate obscure professional club" - are you sure you're on the right forum?

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