[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...
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ClemFandango
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You appear to have forgotten that Hamas carried out a massacre of October 7 and are currently holding over 100 people hostage
clapham_gull
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The best analysis and criticism of the far left's issue issue with antisemitism comes from the far left itself, I've just read a fascinating article.
Their "issue" is more complex than a reaction to the Israeli Government's abhorrent behaviour. It's fused with anti-capitalism and long standing conspiracy theories that festered within Marxist ideology.
It's a subject that has fascinated me for years (as has the far right) and I've read a lot about it. I suggest you hunt out the same. It's always more enlightening to listen to those close to the problem (and those who call it out often at their expense) rather those who attempt to make political capital out it as you imply your colleagues on NSC do.
Corbyn let it happen because he simply didn't realise it was a problem. Not that different from the position the Tories now find themselves.
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clapham_gull
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I'm really bad with complex dramas on TV which is why I refuse to watch them. I've often annoyed the other half by asking her to rewind what I've just seen because I've become instantly confused.
I've rewound the above ten times and I'm still confused.
BenGarfield
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How do you define the "far left" ? What are these issues to which you refer, and what are these long standing conspiracy theories? A link to the article would be useful
clapham_gull
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I'm a great fan of Karl Marx, his critique of capitalism is second to none, but he had a difficult second album. Those who still think his niche second album was the greatest album ever produced are the far left. Like those odd Queen fans who think Hot Space was their greatest work.
I'm not on here to be helpful to you. If you confront the issue first, it's easy to find what you require. I suggest you help yourself.
The deflection is actually Corbyn. Left wing politics has a long history of antisemitism, something it has failed to truly embrace. The failure to embrace it has led the right of politics (which has a more obvious history) to take the moral high ground. Something that should be deeply embarresing.
Why view point doesn't make me right wing, a "centrist" a Blairite or fan of Starmer, it just makes me a realist.
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After the revolution and installation of a Marxist government, all critiques of capitalism will be equal.
clapham_gull
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Always better to apologise before someone threatens a legal action even if written in crayon.
Thunder Bolt
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In other words, a security risk, open to blackmail. Resign.
Pevenseagull
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- Jul 20, 2003
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
It is believed two of the 12 MPs also sent pictures. This is the MP who called the National Trust 'woke'.
Why hasn't he been sacked? He should have been booted out by now.
I'm sure there will now be a lengthy internal enquiry that will drag on until the GE when he will stand down to "spend more time with his family" so he can claim his "leaving Parliament" bonus.
ETA You would like to think that people who are elected to Parliament have a modicom of common sense. How desperate have you got to be to fall for a scam like this? It's the bloody internet! "Trust Nobody. Believe Nothing".....and you won't go too far wrong.
Bob!
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What the f*** is wrong with some of these MPs, The public have to have background checks to work in a hospital, yet these idiots do what ever they want.
What's the point if these clowns just hand stuff over, invite Chinese spies into parliament and leave sensitive stuff laying around.
Should be sacked on the spot.
Since1982
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Just when you think they have sunk to the lowest they can go, they find another level. I cannot imagine any other organisation where admitting to sharing the personal details of colleagues to a sexually motivated, presumably anonymous, contact would not result in immediate dismissal.
Why does this keep coming up? (sigh). Governments can't sack an MP, it can sack a minister ... but Wragg's not a minister. His constituency party could deselect him but as he's not standing again, that's not really relevant. He can, of course, have the whip withdrawn but I suspect that may lead to questions as to who the other two MPs are and why are they free of any sanctions.
If there's a police action and he's sentenced to a prison term or if he's suspended from parliament for more than 30 days, then his constituency could call for a new election but, as he's not standing, that's not going to happen.
He has apologised. That is all it takes to get off the hook with this lot. Jeremy C Hunt has praised him as courageous.
That's UK politics under the Tories.
You can be a racist, mysoginist, a grubby perv providing sensitive security data to people or persons unknown, but as long as you say "sorry" all is well with the world.
William Wragg: Jeremy Hunt praises MP's apology over dating app incident
The chancellor says William Wragg showed courage in admitting he gave out MPs' phone numbers.
www.bbc.co.uk
Indeed. This would almost certainly be an instant gross misconduct suspension pending investigation and hearing that would almost certainly result in dismissal in the vast majority of private companies. Especially given a private company would be facing up to having to report the data breach to the ICO and therefore potentially huge fines.
It's not about what the rules stipulate as written today (rules written by the MPs and/or those the MPs appoint). It's about what *should* happen. IMO an MP should be held to higher standards than your average person on the street. Let's face, what this MP has admitted to is an absolute howler and (so far) we as a country are very, very lucky to have got away with it. This could have been far worse. There could and should be parliamentary rules and processes in place that enable the immediate removal (either temporarily or permanently) of MPs who have shown a disregard for rules, procedures, laws, and basic common sense to such an extent that it poses risk others.
In this particular case, an MP should have a very, very thorough understanding of data protection laws and face significant consequences should they breach them. An apology is simply not enough IMO. This MP has shown that he is not fit to be an MP.