[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Machiavelli]

My take on it is that Labour's lead is not all but somewhat down to the Tories gains in the North self destructing and moving to vote reform.

Those are somewhat lost votes to both major parties, but have negatively affected the Tories more than Labour.

However I'd put money on that 16% won't result in many seats. The best chance the Tories have to cling on is some form of coalition but no other party will touch them with a barge poll.

I'd put a large amount of money on them not getting anything like 16%. Between them and the Tories, they've been running on a combined vote of about 33% in the polls for a year now.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Since when were honours given at Easter? Birthday Honours in June and New Year Honours.

At a stretch, resignation honours (hopefully).

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

My take on it is that Labour's lead is not all but somewhat down to the Tories gains in the North self destructing and moving to vote reform.

Those are somewhat lost votes to both major parties, but have negatively affected the Tories more than Labour.

However I'd put money on that 16% won't result in many seats. The best chance the Tories have to cling on is some form of coalition but no other party will touch them with a barge poll.

Tice will fold.

He may not like the Tories, he hates labour.

 

[The Clamp]

Since when were honours given at Easter? Birthday Honours in June and New Year Honours.

At a stretch, resignation honours (hopefully).

I think they are awarded when the funds clear in the Tory bank account.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Never thought I’d ever agree with Adolf

 

[Pevenseagull]

Bad day for Teresa May's mate

DUP leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson quits after sex offence charges

Sir Jeffrey Donaldson is charged with historical sexual offences and has been suspended from the DUP.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[peterward]

Well done Rishi, this sounds like another truly excellent idea.






What a prat.

 

[Stat Brother]

Bad day for Teresa May's mate

When isn't that the case?

 

[SeagullsoverLondon]

Tice will fold.

He may not like the Tories, he hates labour.

If he thinks the Tories are going to lose anyway, he might as well fight for every seat and get as high a percentage vote as possible.

 

[chickens]

If he thinks the Tories are going to lose anyway, he might as well fight for every seat and get as high a percentage vote as possible.

I still don’t know which way he’ll go. My fear is a last minute back room deal that the Tories will enact some of Tice’s more batshit policies in return for him pulling the plug on Reform in closely contested seats.

On the other hand, there’s surely only so many times that voters will be prepared to take you seriously if you keep withdrawing your candidates at the 11th hour. Makes a bit of a mockery of the whole electoral process.

Proof that FPTP isn’t immune from the kind of backroom dealing that some use as a criticism of alternative voting systems.

 

[Weststander]

2019 was Labour’s worst GE result since 1935 with 202 seats.

Looking at Betfair odds, the Tories are forecast to win circa 120 seats. Ouch.

The rise of Reform, splitting their vote, I think loses the Tories 50 seats.

With SNP’s halo gone, Starmer’s majority is going to be vast. In 1945 Attlee won 393 out of 640 seats, in 1997 Blair 418 out of 650. In 1997 the LibDems polled 18%, now just below 10%, looks like they could be crushed too.

This could be a Commons record for Labour.

 

[Eeyore]

It's as if they are just not bothered anymore. But I think the knighthood to Phillip Davies was just about the bottom of the barrel.

 

[The Clamp]

Britain 2024

Hospital admissions for waterborne diseases in England up 60%, report shows

Labour party analysis of figures since 2010 shows raw sewage was discharged for more than 3.6m hours last year

www.theguardian.com

 

[TomandJerry]

Britain 2024

Hospital admissions for waterborne diseases in England up 60%, report shows

Labour party analysis of figures since 2010 shows raw sewage was discharged for more than 3.6m hours last year

www.theguardian.com

Rolling back the decades in Britain

 

[Pevenseagull]

It's as if they are just not bothered anymore. But I think the knighthood to Phillip Davies was just about the bottom of the barrel.

A remarkable individual who seems to have the ability to regularly find a way of being more reprehensible than the official Tory line.

I'm going to suggest that the title is a bribe to stop him going to Reform. I hope it doesn't work.

 

[WATFORD zero]

From out of nowhere, a brilliant 'the Hawk' type diving header own goal from our wonderful Government

‘Tourists stay away’ – so warns the ruling party of failed-state Britain​

The UK is going one better. As English Tourism Week 2024 ended last week, the governing party embarked on a campaign to frighten away prospective visitors.

The capital, according to the Conservatives’ new social media campaign, “has become a crime capital of the world”. A video put out by the ruling party paints a chilling picture of the city: “Gripped by the tendrils of rising crime, London’s citizens stay inside. The streets are quiet. Quieter at night now than they used to be.” Who is responsible for this alarming state of affairs? The Labour Party, apparently.

“Have you utterly lost the plot?” So asks London’s tourism recovery board co-chair Bernard Donoghue. “This is a wonderful way to mark the end of English Tourism Week,” he continues. “These reckless, alarming, scaremongering lies and trashing of London – we depend on domestic and overseas visitors – is appalling.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/ne...1&cvid=94748b6ef8ac4d2b8b24da4147816444&ei=25

It's just lucky that we are in such a fine financial state that losing a few more million is neither here nor there. And 1 in 5 will still vote for more of this (and probably have this thread on Ignore as they don't 'do' politics)

 

[Hugo Rune]

From out of nowhere, a brilliant 'the Hawk' type diving header own goal from our wonderful Government

‘Tourists stay away’ – so warns the ruling party of failed-state Britain​

The UK is going one better. As English Tourism Week 2024 ended last week, the governing party embarked on a campaign to frighten away prospective visitors.

The capital, according to the Conservatives’ new social media campaign, “has become a crime capital of the world”. A video put out by the ruling party paints a chilling picture of the city: “Gripped by the tendrils of rising crime, London’s citizens stay inside. The streets are quiet. Quieter at night now than they used to be.” Who is responsible for this alarming state of affairs? The Labour Party, apparently.

“Have you utterly lost the plot?” So asks London’s tourism recovery board co-chair Bernard Donoghue. “This is a wonderful way to mark the end of English Tourism Week,” he continues. “These reckless, alarming, scaremongering lies and trashing of London – we depend on domestic and overseas visitors – is appalling.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/ne...1&cvid=94748b6ef8ac4d2b8b24da4147816444&ei=25

It's just lucky that we are in such a fine financial state that losing a few more million is neither here nor there. And 1 in 5 will still vote for more of this (and probably have this thread on Ignore as they don't 'do' politics)

1 in 5 will watch this video and think two things before they vote Tory later this year.

1. At least she isn’t Jeremy Corbyn.
2. They are all the same anyway.

 

[abc]

After this weekend’s polls, I think we can confidently say that labour will have a big enough majority after the GE to be able do implement any policy they want to. But is the country and just as significantly, our society, so broken that it’s impossible to repair? Every where you look from the water companies, railways and the nhs to inequality and poverty levels, lack of food security and climate change policies, the solutions (if they exist) will cost £billions that we don’t have. We also have a “I, me, mine” society that will resist rises in taxes or the concept of giving a bit to make the lives of those less well off a little better. Then throw in Trump, Putin and the real possibility of global war….
The change in gov that’s coming will be welcome on so many levels but I I cannot see anyone achieving meaningful change because the task is just too impossible and vast.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

 

[Me Atome]

After this weekend’s polls, I think we can confidently say that labour will have a big enough majority after the GE to be able do implement any policy they want to. But is the country and just as significantly, our society, so broken that it’s impossible to repair? Every where you look from the water companies, railways and the nhs to inequality and poverty levels, lack of food security and climate change policies, the solutions (if they exist) will cost £billions that we don’t have. We also have a “I, me, mine” society that will resist rises in taxes or the concept of giving a bit to make the lives of those less well off a little better. Then throw in Trump, Putin and the real possibility of global war….
The change in gov that’s coming will be welcome on so many levels but I I cannot see anyone achieving meaningful change because the task is just too impossible and vast.

Whilst I don't agree with all the detail of your post, I agree with your conclusion - the task is (almost) impossible. Probably.

I just don't think we can afford the "lifestyle" we have tried to create. We can't afford all the doctors and nurses we want; we can't afford to mend the potholes in the roads; we can't afford to service all the libraries and swimming pools we have built; we can't afford a proper army, navy and air force - we can't even afford to pay for a crew for all the (very few) warships we do have; we can't afford to replace all the Victorian water and drainage infrastructure, let alone to modernise it to cater for new requirements for a much bigger population; it doesn't seem we can afford to build new power stations - just the short term measure of buying in from France and Norway.

Taking ever more money off ever less of "the rich" is not an answer. At best, it might paper over some cracks.

Apart from that, everything is fine.