[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Gwylan]

It's not about what the rules stipulate as written today (rules written by the MPs and/or those the MPs appoint). It's about what *should* happen. IMO an MP should be held to higher standards than your average person on the street. Let's face, what this MP has admitted to is an absolute howler and (so far) we as a country are very, very lucky to have got away with it. This could have been far worse. There could and should be parliamentary rules and processes in place that enable the immediate removal (either temporarily or permanently) of MPs who have shown a disregard for rules, procedures, laws, and basic common sense to such an extent that it poses risk others.

In this particular case, an MP should have a very, very thorough understanding of data protection laws and face significant consequences should they breach them. An apology is simply not enough IMO. This MP has shown that he is not fit to be an MP.

I disagree. MPs are representatives of the people - even the Acts relevant to Parliament, MPs and voting are known as Representation of the People Acts. If the people elect MPs they, and only they, have the right to remove them. What you're proposing is the first step towards dictatorship where governments can remove those politicians they don't like. Wragg behaved like an idiot and it's possible that he broke the law (and as such, should face the consequences) but when governments start removing politicians they don't like, we're heading into dangerous waters.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I disagree. MPs are representatives of the people - even the Acts relevant to Parliament, MPs and voting are known as Representation of the People Acts. If the people elect MPs they, and only they, have the right to remove them. What you're proposing is the first step towards dictatorship where governments can remove those politicians they don't like. Wragg behaved like an idiot and it's possible that he broke the law (and as such, should face the consequences) but when governments start removing politicians they don't like, we're heading into dangerous waters.

There are standards that MPs are expected to keep, which is why Boris Johnson is still suspended from Parliament for 90 days. Governments can't sack them but the Parliamentary Standards Committee can hold them to account.
Wragg has opened himself up to blackmail, and dragged other MPs into the same security risk.

 

[Gwylan]

There are standards that MPs are expected to keep, which is why Boris Johnson is still suspended from Parliament for 90 days. Governments can't sack them but the Parliamentary Standards Committee can hold them to account.
Wragg has opened himself up to blackmail, and dragged other MPs into the same security risk.

Yep, and if the MP gets such a suspension then his constituency can set up a recall petition asking for him to be sacked. But the point is that it's his or her constituency that does this, not parliament. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be suspended (in fact, I think he should) but there is due process to be followed.

 

[Cheggers]

I'm a great fan of Karl Marx, his critique of capitalism is second to none, but he had a difficult second album. Those who still think his niche second album was the greatest album ever produced are the far left. Like those odd Queen fans who think Hot Space was their greatest work.

I'm not on here to be helpful to you. If you confront the issue first, it's easy to find what you require. I suggest you help yourself.

The deflection is actually Corbyn. Left wing politics has a long history of antisemitism, something it has failed to truly embrace. The failure to embrace it has led the right of politics (which has a more obvious history) to take the moral high ground. Something that should be deeply embarresing.

Why view point doesn't make me right wing, a "centrist" a Blairite or fan of Starmer, it just makes me a realist.

Apologies for my ignorance. And I am genuinely not being facetious, but when you say Marx's 'difficult second album', are you referring to Capital: Volume 1 as his first album (or The Communist Manifesto)? And if so, are you referring to Capital: Volume 2 as his second album, or the Economic & Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 (published posthumously), or another of his works?

 

[Audax]

Yep, and if the MP gets such a suspension then his constituency can set up a recall petition asking for him to be sacked. But the point is that it's his or her constituency that does this, not parliament. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be suspended (in fact, I think he should) but there is due process to be followed.

I don't disagree with you. I think where we differ is in how fast the current processes operate. It could take months before a recall petition can be triggered under the current procedures, and that IMO is no where near good enough. It's also still possible (despite Boris' fumbling failed attempts) for a government with a big enough majority to simply ignore it all and prevent the recall petition being triggerable (ie by blocking any recommended suspension that would trigger).

In instances like this, IMO there needs to be a fast-track process that a) accelerates suspension, and b) independently of the government facilitates speedy investigation and, if required, enabling action by voters to evict the MP.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I don't disagree with you. I think where we differ is in how fast the current processes operate. It could take months before a recall petition can be triggered under the current procedures, and that IMO is no where near good enough. It's also still possible (despite Boris' fumbling failed attempts) for a government with a big enough majority to simply ignore it all and prevent the recall petition being triggerable (ie by blocking any recommended suspension that would trigger).

In instances like this, IMO there needs to be a fast-track process that a) accelerates suspension, and b) independently of the government facilitates speedy investigation and, if required, enabling action by voters to evict the MP.

I'm not so bothered about the recall from his constituency, but the blackmail element, where he has already compromised at least two other MPs, and yet still has access to Parliamentary documents. It is a major security risk.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Just another fake photo from the Tory candidate for London Mayor.




The link from March where Sadiq Khan is on record as ruling it out.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan rules out Ulez changes

Sadiq Khan says Ulez will not include pay-per-mile charges or tighter restrictions while he is mayor.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The original photo which was used without permission.

 

[monty uk]

He has apologised. That is all it takes to get off the hook with this lot. Jeremy C Hunt has praised him as courageous.

But when would this become a criminal act of aiding and abetting? Isn't that effectively what he has done by knowingly and voluntarily providing target names and phone numbers to criminal gangs?

 

[Stat Brother]

Sorry this isn't really for here, it made me laugh but isn't worthy of its own space so here will have to do.

 

[TomandJerry]

William Wragg, the MP who admitted sharing MPs' personal phone numbers with someone on a dating app, has "voluntarily" given up the Conservative whip.

He will now sit as an independent MP in the House of Commons.

 

[Chicken Run]

William Wragg, the MP who admitted sharing MPs' personal phone numbers with someone on a dating app, has "voluntarily" given up the Conservative whip.

He will now sit as an independent MP in the House of Commons.

Thanks for the heads up

 

[WATFORD zero]

Thanks for the heads up

Well obviously it will make very little difference to you, as you desperately drag out the last 12 months of what you voted for (twice), but for a lot of other people, it's quite informative about what your preferred Government are doing

 

[nicko31]

Sorry this isn't really for here, it made me laugh but isn't worthy of its own space so here will have to do.

You couldn't make it up. Is her doubled barrelled surname for real?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

William Wragg, the MP who admitted sharing MPs' personal phone numbers with someone on a dating app, has "voluntarily" given up the Conservative whip.

He will now sit as an independent MP in the House of Commons.

But not before allowing his WiFi password to be on full view during a photoshoot.

William Wragg accidentally lets office Wifi password slip during photoshoot

William Wragg accidentally exposed his office's Wifi password in a photoshoot for the Observer newspaper, it has been revealed.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

 

[lawros left foot]

Doesn’t this just smack of desperation now?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Doesn’t this just smack of desperation now?

Yes, definitely. especially when Tory shill accounts are still trying to make capital out of it, and getting rounded on. I've been blocked by these for pointing out the 'protestor' was one of their own. https://twitter.com/ToryVote_

Town council chairman in vote of no confidence over 'offensive' Facebook posts

John Coulson, the chair of Yarm Town Council, said the posts were prior to him becoming a councillor and he did not mean any offence

www.gazettelive.co.uk

 

[The Clamp]

Michelle Donelan used £34,000 of taxpayer funds to cover libel costs

Exclusive: Science secretary’s legal fees of £19,000 more than doubled sum previously admitted by government

www.theguardian.com

 

[TomandJerry]

Farmers who have their entire cropping land submerged underwater have found they are ineligible for a government flooding hardship fund – because their farms are too far from a major river.

 

[rippleman]

And soooooo...as expected....slippery Sunak's NHS targets have been missed again. And that is despite another fiddle to the numbers to exclude 36K community paediatric appointments.

"We still have more work to do, but our plan is working." said the lying, smug shortarse.

PM defends NHS record as targets missed in England

The latest figures show many patients face long waits, but the PM insists headway is being made.

www.bbc.co.uk