[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Kinky Gerbil]

Lady McAlpine wants us to get on board the Boris Bus.

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She's already dressed like a clown....

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Plot to oust Sunak as PM and bring back Boris hatched as 50 Tories attend meeting led by pro-Johnson aristocrat

Senior Tories are plotting to replace Rishi Sunak with ousted former Prime Minister Boris Johnson in an attempt to turn around the party's polling fortunes.

www.lbc.co.uk

Get him back in, watching him getting demolished at an election would be wonderful.

It’s possible if he was put into a safe seat, but he’s still banned from Parliament on a 90 day suspension for contempt.

 

[A1X]

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It's remarkable how this has almost been ignored today. Is it because it is about Diane Abbott (I'm no fan of hers) or a black person or a woman? Saying she should be shot, when two MPs have been killed in the last 8 years is also incitement.
All Hester says is he's sorry and we should now 'move on'.

That's what £10million gets you.

 

[Papak]

MSN

www.msn.com

He also called all his “foreign” workers together to defend himself against online claims that he had made racist remarks. During this meeting, he said he abhorred racism and told his team their progress would not be “based on the colour of your skin, your ethnicity, where your parents are from”.

However, he also said “we take the piss out of the fact that all our Chinese girls sit together in Asian corner”.

He sounds like the parody of an Aussie comedy character from the 80s pre PC era...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[MJsGhost]

There are a couple of things about this that have left me scratching my head:

I wonder what the Tories would be doing if he was a less generous donor? At what amount does the response change from "What he said was inappropriate, not racist or misogynist, he has apologised, so let's move on (we're keeping the money)"
to
"We condemn what he said & will give the money back ASAP (we can't keep the money, it's toxic)"

My guess is anything under £1m gets the latter response (though I may be giving them too much credit and the reality is something like £10k)

What would the Tories being saying if David Sainsbury was caught saying "I'm not antisemitic, but seeing Grant Shapps makes me hate all Jewish men & he should be shot".
Would the Tories consider this antisemitic and be calling for Labour to return the £3m or so donated last year? Hmmmm...

 

[Greg Bobkin]

There are a couple of things about this that have left me scratching my head:

I wonder what the Tories would be doing if he was a less generous donor? At what amount does the response change from "What he said was inappropriate, not racist or misogynist, he has apologised, so let's move on (we're keeping the money)"
to
"We condemn what he said & will give the money back ASAP (we can't keep the money, it's toxic)"

My guess is anything under £1m gets the latter response (though I may be giving them too much credit and the reality is something like £10k)

What would the Tories being saying if David Sainsbury was caught saying "I'm not antisemitic, but seeing Grant Shapps makes me hate all Jewish men & he should be shot".
Would the Tories consider this antisemitic and be calling for Labour to return the £3m or so donated last year? Hmmmm...

Yep, it's the classic 'if the roles were reversed' scenario that I often highlight. You could IMAGINE what the usual suspects would be saying if it was someone on the other 'side' saying something like that.

Also, if, as that Mel Stride claimed, it's not race- or gender-based, what's the guy apologising for, then? Because he got caught out, presumably?

 

[The Clamp]

The £10m should be given to charity. And Frank Hester should be arrested for a hate crime.

If you stood in the street, pointed at a black woman and said “she needs to be shot” and that she makes you hate all black women, you’d be arrested and likely charged with a hate crime. At least .

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The £10m should be given to charity. And Frank Hester should be arrested for a hate crime.

If you stood in the street, pointed at a black woman and said “she needs to be shot” and that she makes you hate all black women, you’d be arrested and likely charged with a hate crime. At least .

Kemi Badenoch, Minister for Equality, a black woman, has been noticeable by her silence.

The press caused more fuss over Ms Abbott drinking a mojita on a train, than this.

 

[Jim in the West]

The £10m should be given to charity. And Frank Hester should be arrested for a hate crime.

If you stood in the street, pointed at a black woman and said “she needs to be shot” and that she makes you hate all black women, you’d be arrested and likely charged with a hate crime. At least .

I'm increasingly perplexed why this sort of behaviour is allowed. Some Tories have called out Hester as a racist - but presumably only the target of the racism (in this case Dianne Abbott) can actually press charges? If I were her, I would....but perhaps she's wary of the huge amount of vitriol that would inevitably rain down on her from the Mail, Express, GBNews, etc, etc. Unbelievably depressing all round.

 

[jcdenton08]

I'm increasingly perplexed why this sort of behaviour is allowed. Some Tories have called out Hester as a racist - but presumably only the target of the racism (in this case Dianne Abbott) can actually press charges? If I were her, I would....but perhaps she's wary of the huge amount of vitriol that would inevitably rain down on her from the Mail, Express, GBNews, etc, etc. Unbelievably depressing all round.

There is actually no such thing as pressing charges in UK law. You either support a prosecution (essentially by being a witness in court and talking to the police during the investigation) or not. Cases often proceed without an alleged victim supporting prosecution. The police gather the evidence that a crime has been committed, and the CPS decide whether to proceed based on the evidence provided.

In this case, if he is prosecuted, Abbott wouldn’t need to do anything.

 

[Cotton Socks]

There is actually no such thing as pressing charges in UK law. You either support a prosecution (essentially by being a witness in court and talking to the police during the investigation) or not. Cases often proceed without an alleged victim supporting prosecution. The police gather the evidence that a crime has been committed, and the CPS decide whether to proceed based on the evidence provided.

In this case, if he is prosecuted, Abbott wouldn’t need to do anything.

Half the dimwits that already give her a load of abuse won't realise she hasn't supported the prosecution and will give her more abuse anyway. You could say that's what happens with domestic abuse victims, police involvement can make it worse, especially if they go ahead without the support of the witness. The victim not supporting the prosecution generally indicates they're fearing reprisal greater than what they've already received.

 

[The Clamp]

There is actually no such thing as pressing charges in UK law. You either support a prosecution (essentially by being a witness in court and talking to the police during the investigation) or not. Cases often proceed without an alleged victim supporting prosecution. The police gather the evidence that a crime has been committed, and the CPS decide whether to proceed based on the evidence provided.

In this case, if he is prosecuted, Abbott wouldn’t need to do anything.

Correct.

It’s 50/50 whether the police would pursue a prosecution on this without her support.

Arguably it’s inciting racial hatred and could be a stand alone prosecution.

I doubt it though .

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There is actually no such thing as pressing charges in UK law. You either support a prosecution (essentially by being a witness in court and talking to the police during the investigation) or not. Cases often proceed without an alleged victim supporting prosecution. The police gather the evidence that a crime has been committed, and the CPS decide whether to proceed based on the evidence provided.

In this case, if he is prosecuted, Abbott wouldn’t need to do anything.

I'm wondering if this is classed as racial harassment then it would be out of time. If the police said the phrase 'she should be shot' counted as racial incitement, then there isn't a statute of limitations.

 

[vegster]

Been listening with interest today, I never thought the country could come to this. What Hester allegedly said is racist and misogynistic in the extreme and there is no excuse. Our first Minority Prime Minister should be calling this out as such and acting but sadly, he's spineless and there is the matter of that odd £10m to consider too. They can't say Hester Is/ was Racist and keep the cash.

As for the government minister trying to say that what was said was neither racist or sexist is a new low and we have had plenty of new lows from this government in the last 5 years. The words spoken, if true, cannot be smoothed over and categorised " We put it behind us and move on. "

If this is allowed to stand without serious Government action then we can comfortably say that we are now a racist country and our government is complicit.

 

[Daddies_Sauce]

Hester = TPP = One of the largest if not he largest software providers to the NHS.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Kemi Badenoch, Minister for Equality, a black woman, has been noticeable by her silence.

The press caused more fuss over Ms Abbott drinking a mojita on a train, than this.

Good spot but she has now come out and confirmed the language was racist.

But obviously as a Tory, money is more important than racism and sexism so they are keeping the £10m. It’s time for forgiveness:

“Ms Badenoch welcomed his apology and called for "space for forgiveness".

Tory donor's alleged comments about Diane Abbott were racist, says Downing Street

It comes after Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch broke ranks to say Frank Hester's reported words were racist.

www.bbc.co.uk

“The Conservative Party - funded by racists” needs to be a prominent election slogan!

 

[lawros left foot]

Diane Abbott reports Tory donor to Met Police over ‘should be shot’ comments

Exclusive: MP reports businessman to police over ‘frightening’ comments - but two ministers and No10 refuse to call them racist despite outrage of senior Conservatives

www.independent.co.uk

Hopefully, the scrote will be prosecuted and the Tories will be shamed into handing back his dirty money.

 

[A1X]

Sam Coates on Sky just now saying that there’s apparently been a secret meeting between Sunak and Graham Brady today.

Letters? Election?