I agree with that, but why did Labour make this the choice? I mean he was easy meat for the Tory-backing media we have in this country. Plus there really were genuine concerns that a large part of the middle ground had with him. It was just dumb.
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TomandJerry
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Dick Swiveller
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Brilliantly inept stuff. Starmer fumbles the punchline of a good "turn it off and on again" joke followed by Sunak sneering about it and then saying "people up and down the family"
Imagine telling Winston Churchill than there would be a Tory Party deputy chairman who would essentially say "the law can f*** off, we want to do it anyway". He'd be horrified.
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During the case, the judges began discussing whether there were other British laws - meaning legislation passed by Parliament - that also bans the government from sending genuine refugees to Rwanda because of the risk they could be further returned to countries they have fled from.
And it concluded today there are three such laws. The legal importance of this is huge - but it arguably has an even greater political impact.
If the right-wing of the Conservative Party presses for the nuclear option of quitting the European Convention of Human Rights, it wouldn't solve the problem of Rwanda.
It's now absolutely clear that other British laws stand in their way too.
And it concluded today there are three such laws. The legal importance of this is huge - but it arguably has an even greater political impact.
If the right-wing of the Conservative Party presses for the nuclear option of quitting the European Convention of Human Rights, it wouldn't solve the problem of Rwanda.
It's now absolutely clear that other British laws stand in their way too.
As much as I don't think the man lives up to his name often enough, I do appreciate Cleverly today clearly separating himself from the Braverman / Patel hard-right approach to Home Office policy / rhetoric. The proof will be in what happens over the coming months, but it does sound like (for now) there will be a softening of approach with Cleverly.
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Think there were 2 'but Corbyn's in Sunack's answers at PMQs.
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Big split opening up in the Tory Party
Sir John Hayes, who chairs the Common Sense Group of rightwing Tory MP and who works closely with Suella Braverman, told Radio 4’s the World at One that the government should introduce “notwithstanding” legislation to allow the European convention on human rights to be bypassed. It is called “notwithstanding” because it would say the government can do X notwithstanding the ECHR saying it’s illegal.
Sir John Hayes, who chairs the Common Sense Group of rightwing Tory MP and who works closely with Suella Braverman, told Radio 4’s the World at One that the government should introduce “notwithstanding” legislation to allow the European convention on human rights to be bypassed. It is called “notwithstanding” because it would say the government can do X notwithstanding the ECHR saying it’s illegal.
Aaaaaaannnnddd ... Sunak promptly dashes those hopes. Braverman still able to pull his strings despite being sacked.
Excellent summary of the ruling
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-real-world-live-on-fantasyland-tory-politics
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That is an excellent summary, and what is so interesting is it was the one policy that this government made all the noise about, it was the one policy where they seemed to actually be motivated to act.
And yet, it didn’t take account of British, European or International law.
How incompetent does a government have to be for their flagship policy (some would say their only policy) to be ruled illegal in the courts.
They’ve had thirteen years in power, and all their ‘accomplishments’ are negative. We are poorer, internationally diminished, with higher levels of child poverty, public services on the brink of collapse and a high street that reminds me of the end of the Thatcher years.
They haven’t even got Brexit done, because we keep delaying implementing checks on goods. We know that implementing these will increase costs, add delays and further impact supply chains. How many years is it now since we left?
Taking control of our borders? Nonsense. Avoiding the scrutiny of other nation states while our right-wing political class defraud its own citizens is why others wanted out of the EU.
The Clamp
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They’ve held back all the major downsides of trade after Brexit (the cost mainly) so that it’ll look like it’s Labour that have caused it if they come to power next year.
Tubby Mondays
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Yeah and Labour wont be able to deny being complicit due to the stance they have taken on Brexit throughout.
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By throughout what you mean is since we voted leave and Corbyn was replaced. Throughout, the lib dens have constantly said they will reverse brexit. That has done wonders for their quest for power. Had Starmer committed to another vote, Labour would also be toast. In 3 years, after we have properly left, public opinion may change.
Tubby Mondays
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No I mean throughout. Prior to voting for leave.
Labour at no point gave a firm party backing either way. Which is understandable for political reasons.
The Lib Dems were constantly able to say they would reverse it safe in the knowledge that they would never be in a position to implement it. See also thei oposition to the Gulf war, axing tuition fees, etc.
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But nor did the Tories. They had people from both sides of the party campaiging for different outcomes!
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Correct.
But which is the party now in government, run almost entirely, by a cabinet of Bexiteers, has the opportunity to unleash the sunlit uplands of the checks on goods, higher prices, and thus inflation that this will bring?!