[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Molango's visa]

No I mean throughout. Prior to voting for leave.

Labour at no point gave a firm party backing either way. Which is understandable for political reasons.

The Lib Dems were constantly able to say they would reverse it safe in the knowledge that they would never be in a position to implement it. See also thei oposition to the Gulf war, axing tuition fees, etc.

Ah OK. Both main parties had remain and leave proponents. Unfortunately Labour had Corbyn. A historic euroskeptic who sat on the fence. But before the vote most of the noise was being generated by the shit, Farage, and the media was mostly focused on this. Agree with your point about the liberals, they could promise any bollocks and it matters not. But if we had PR....thank goodness we don't.

 

[Lever]

 

[jcdenton08]

Came here specifically to post this, and it’s the very latest post!!

 

[Lever]

Came here specifically to post this, and it’s the very latest post!!

Sorry and thank you!

 

[nicko31]

The problem is it’s all true

 

[Stato]

From the Guardian's report on Sunak's plan: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...lock-sunaks-new-rwanda-plan-on-asylum-seekers

“We believe we are acting to fulfil the wishes of the public...My belief is that the Rwanda migration partnership remains something that the public wants us to deliver on.”

The only polling done so far suggests that his belief is wrong. 51% of the public want the policy abandoned. Only 28% are in favour.
https://www.markpack.org.uk/171941/first-polling-after-rwanda-plan-ruled-unlawful/"

Remember this whenever they wheel out the tired old 'will of the people' lie.

More pressingly, if Sunak is about doing things that the public want, then why hasn't he f-'d off?

Electoral Calculus

 

[The Clamp]

Senior Tory says Suella Braverman wants to act like Putin with hardline alternative Rwanda proposals – UK politics live

Damien Green labels former home secretary’s controversial proposals ‘unconservative’

www.theguardian.com

 

[The Clamp]

Former deputy PM condemns ‘dictatorial’ Braverman Rwanda plan

Damian Green says call for legislation to override legal obstacles is ‘most unconservative proposal I’ve ever heard’

www.theguardian.com

 

[CHAPPERS]

Quite clear that the Tories have invented an issue here which they can fight the election on no matter the human cost.

It doesn’t have to take a long time to get legislation through – and that is a question for the Labour party.


We’re determined to get this through as quickly as possible. So the real question is: is the Labour party going to stand in the way and stop this from happening, or are they going to work with us and support this bill so we can get it through as quickly as possible?


I know that the British people want this problem gripped. I know the British people will want this new law to pass so we can get flights off to Rwanda.


So really, the question is for Keir Starmer and the Labour Party, why don’t they?

 

[BBassic]

Jeremy Hunt weighing up inheritance tax cut in autumn statement

Chancellor considering move after fall in inflation and being told he will have more money to spend

www.theguardian.com

Hunt is open to the idea of a cut partly because inheritance tax is highly unpopular with Conservative voters and partly because it would cost less than cutting income tax. The Times reported on Friday he was considering reducing the rate from 40% to either 30% or 20%, with a promise to abolish it altogether in the next Tory manifesto.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies has said abolishing inheritance tax would cost an estimated £7bn a year, half of the benefit of which would be enjoyed by people inheriting estates worth £2.1m or more. The potential loss to the Treasury rises to almost £15bn a year by 2032.

Looking after their base, never mind the projected £15bn loss if they cut it entirely. I guess they could balance that cost by coming down harder on tax avoidance / evasion but then, as I say, they're looking after their base.

 

[Bodian]

Jeremy Hunt weighing up inheritance tax cut in autumn statement

Chancellor considering move after fall in inflation and being told he will have more money to spend

www.theguardian.com

Hunt is open to the idea of a cut partly because inheritance tax is highly unpopular with Conservative voters and partly because it would cost less than cutting income tax. The Times reported on Friday he was considering reducing the rate from 40% to either 30% or 20%, with a promise to abolish it altogether in the next Tory manifesto.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies has said abolishing inheritance tax would cost an estimated £7bn a year, half of the benefit of which would be enjoyed by people inheriting estates worth £2.1m or more. The potential loss to the Treasury rises to almost £15bn a year by 2032.

Looking after their base, never mind the projected £15bn loss if they cut it entirely. I guess they could balance that cost by coming down harder on tax avoidance / evasion but then, as I say, they're looking after their base.

"In the spring the OBR said he could spend an extra £6.5bn and still have debt falling as a proportion of gross domestic product in five years’ time. The Resolution Foundation thinktank has predicted that could now be £13bn, although reports suggest it could be even higher."

So, instead of spending that £13bn on local services, reducing poverty, NHS, measures to benefit everyone, etc, etc - his first thought is.....

 

[beorhthelm]

"In the spring the OBR said he could spend an extra £6.5bn and still have debt falling as a proportion of gross domestic product in five years’ time. The Resolution Foundation thinktank has predicted that could now be £13bn, although reports suggest it could be even higher."

So, instead of spending that £13bn on local services, reducing poverty, NHS, measures to benefit everyone, etc, etc - his first thought is.....

smells like kite flying, if he has 6-13bn spare he could cut income tax or rise allowances, and some spending on NHS, for much wider voter support.

or cutting some of the deficit.

 

[Pevenseagull]

"In the spring the OBR said he could spend an extra £6.5bn and still have debt falling as a proportion of gross domestic product in five years’ time. The Resolution Foundation thinktank has predicted that could now be £13bn, although reports suggest it could be even higher."

So, instead of spending that £13bn on local services, reducing poverty, NHS, measures to benefit everyone, etc, etc - his first thought is.....

Reports going around that he's going to save money elsewhere by not increasing benefits for disabled people in line with September's higher inflation rate.

 

[TomandJerry]

Robert Jenrick, the immigration minister, is pushing for emergency legislation to disapply the Human Rights Act and direct courts to ignore the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) in asylum cases.


However, cabinet ministers including James Cleverly, the home secretary, Victoria Prentis, the attorney general, and Alex Chalk, the justice secretary, are said to have reservations about a hardline approach. One senior government source described the strategy as “mad”, saying the courts would go “ballistic” and questioning whether Sunak would be willing to endorse it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Robert Jenrick, the immigration minister, is pushing for emergency legislation to disapply the Human Rights Act and direct courts to ignore the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) in asylum cases.


However, cabinet ministers including James Cleverly, the home secretary, Victoria Prentis, the attorney general, and Alex Chalk, the justice secretary, are said to have reservations about a hardline approach. One senior government source described the strategy as “mad”, saying the courts would go “ballistic” and questioning whether Sunak would be willing to endorse it.

Jenrick is still trying to blame the ECHR, when the Supreme Court was at pains to point out, the scheme also broke three different British laws.
Every criminal could then cite the government deliberately breaking laws they don’t like, so why should anyone obey laws.

 

[The Clamp]

Screwing us all..

 

[kevo]

Just finished watching the excellent Channel 4 docu-drama #Partygate.

If you missed it, watch it on catch up, it will became a defining television programme.

How am I meant to get to sleep now, being this angry.

Only just caught up with this. Absolutely sickening - and they didn't even include the 'Abba party' (which was mysteriously left out of the Sue Gray report and which the Met still hasn't investigated).

How can anyone possibly vote for the Tories after watching this programme?

I really hope Channel 4 broadcasts it again just before the next election.

(although of course we should have already had an election - in any other era, partygate would have brought down the government).

 

[JBizzle]

Only just caught up with this. Absolutely sickening - and they didn't even include the 'Abba party' (which was mysteriously left out of the Sue Gray report and which the Met still hasn't investigated).

How can anyone possibly vote for the Tories after watching this programme?

I really hope Channel 4 broadcasts it again just before the next election.

(although of course we should have already had an election - in any other era, partygate would have brought down the government).

Yeah, but that's what they want you to think. It's all lefty, wokerati propaganda pushing an anti-British agenda, innit.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Reports going around that he's going to save money elsewhere by not increasing benefits for disabled people in line with September's higher inflation rate.

Benefits for disabled people? Not a bit of it. Mark my words, it will be workhouses next.
If you're sick, disabled or mentally ill, you have a duty to work at home. No doubt, on minimum wages!

The policy will be set out on Wednesday as part of the autumn statement amid a drive by Rishi Sunak to make changes to the welfare system, which he described on Monday as “unsustainable”

Disabled people must work from home to do ‘their duty’, says UK minister

People with mobility and mental health problems should work from home or lose benefits under new policy

www.theguardian.com

 

[Pevenseagull]

Benefits for disabled people? Not a bit of it. Mark my words, it will be workhouses next.

If you're sick, disabled or mentally ill, you have a duty to work at home. No doubt, on minimum wages!

Disabled people must work from home to do ‘their duty’, says UK minister

People with mobility and mental health problems should work from home or lose benefits under new policy

www.theguardian.com

How very Tory.