[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Machiavelli]

I'm not convinced Labour can do all the surgery required alone, they need a progressive alliance with LD's.

Gonna be very hard for the next government we looking at 5-10 years of anemic growth

There's a long, long list of major things that need doing. If the next government (whether majority Labour, Labour-minority, or Labour-led coalition) can get through half of them in the next parliament, that'd be some achievement.
In terms of future growth rates, in 'developed' economies, they are going to be low (Starmer is made himself a hostage to fortune in claiming that Labour will achieve the highest growth rates in the G7) into the future, far lower than what we've even endured thus far in 21C, let alone those of the 20C.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

When the Tories finally vacate Downing Street the new occupants will have fumigate the place to remove the fetid stench of corruption and lies.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Yes, integrity, accountability and professionalism are so important to us, blah blah blah.

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

"Stopping the boats" has become the new slogan for this government, hasn't it? Following on from the Johnson government's "Get Brexit done". In order to achieve this, they bring in a ban on Masters students bringing dependants over, students who may go on to do a PHD, thus contributing to the economy and important research. At least some of these will now be deterred from coming here.

A majority of Masters students from abroad tend to prefer purpose-built accommodation, hence the boom in student housing in many cities, as it avoids the hassle of going through accommodation agents who may rip them off, etc. In other words the idea that they put heavy pressure on accommodation is largely spurious. However, what does this matter, so long as "Bert in the Bricklayers' Arms" thinks they're "doing something about immigration"?

 

[nicko31]

Yes, integrity, accountability and professionalism are so important to us, blah blah blah.

WEAK from Sunak, he won't face down the fash fringe...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The irony is the revelations that Johnson has been referred to police over alleged lockdown parties at Chequers only came to light because Sunak government agreed to foot his legal bills for the Covid inquiry. Maybe he knew what he was doing...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

He pays £3.9 million cash for a new home, but gets legal aid for his defence!
If any of us wanted legal aid, we’d be turned down because it’s part of the Criminal Justice System’s cut backs.

Good question from Karl Turner (ignoring the fact he can't prounounce Ruislip))

 

[West Hoathly Seagull]

But let's ask ourselves why the anti-immigration MPs are making the noise, is it because there are no pro-immigration MPs? I doubt that. So we have to look at whether our media eco-system is allowing of people to openly broadcast their views as pro-immigration while in public office

Chris Skidmore, the Conservative MP for Kingswood, has suggested that international students should be removed from immigration figures, as they mostly go home once their degree courses have finished (and as I said in my previous post, those that stay largely make a positive contribution to the UK). I can't post the tweet, as I'm on my work computer, which isn't connected to Twitter. In other words, they are out there if journalists could be bothered to look for them.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Chris Skidmore, the Conservative MP for Kingswood, has suggested that international students should be removed from immigration figures, as they mostly go home once their degree courses have finished (and as I said in my previous post, those that stay largely make a positive contribution to the UK). I can't post the tweet, as I'm on my work computer, which isn't connected to Twitter. In other words, they are out there if the journalists could be bothered to look for them.

Hmmm. But isn't immigration the number of people who come into your country. It's not supposed to include or otherwise people who may or may not stay a long time or may or may not make the contribution you want.

They need to spend less time thinking about cooking the books and more time running the country.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Hmmm. But isn't immigration the number of people who come into your country. It's not supposed to include or otherwise people who may or may not stay a long time or may or may not make the contribution you want.

They need to spend less time thinking about cooking the books and more time running the country.

Foreign students pay full whack for their university course, and many universities rely on overseas students to subsidise the courses for our kids. The government deliberately added students to the number coming in, which is nonsense because they only stay for three or four years, contributing a lot to the economy whilst here.

Cooking the books is exactly what this government is doing, whilst spreading fear and anger to keep the public from scrutinising their books.

 

[Peteinblack]

Foreign students pay full whack for their university course, and many universities rely on overseas students to subsidise the courses for our kids. The government deliberately added students to the number coming in, which is nonsense because they only stay for three or four years, contributing a lot to the economy whilst here.

Cooking the books is exactly what this government is doing, whilst spreading fear and anger to keep the public from scrutinising their books.

My University has recently announced a 'strategic increase' in the recruitment of overseas students to be accommodated by reducing the number of 'home' students we recruit in future.

Another predictable and lamentable consequence of turning universities into revenue-maximising businesses run, not by experienced academics, but accountants, business managers, financial consultants, marketing officers, and 'strategic development coordinators' - who don't give a **** about standards of education, only about attracting fee-paying bums-on-seats.

Over 50% of university student fee income goes on management and administration costs, and many university Vice-Chancellors (often calling themselves Presidents) are now paid £500,000, seeing themselves as CEOs

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

My University has recently announced a 'strategic increase' in the recruitment of overseas students to be accommodated by reducing the number of 'home' students we recruit in future.

Another predictable and lamentable consequence of turning universities into revenue-maximising businesses run, not by experienced academics, but accountants, business managers, financial consultants, marketing officers, and 'strategic development coordinators' - who don't give a **** about standards of education, only about attracting fee-paying bums-on-seats.

Over 50% of university student fee income goes on management and administration costs, and many university Vice-Chancellors (often calling themselves Presidents) are now paid £500,000, seeing themselves as CEOs

Yep. That's my experience.

One of my 'senior' academic colleagues who should know better criticised me today for expecting students to have the language skills to explain complex concepts. Really?

 

[clapham_gull]

For those who have followed such events, we're surprised it's taken so long.



Good evening Prime Minister, how did you spend Christmas ?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

For those who have followed such events, we're surprised it's taken so long.



Good evening Prime Minister, how did you spend Christmas ?

And the Abba party with the ‘mysterious’ visitor.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I honestly don’t think people should get their hopes up. Each revelation has been more shocking than the last for the last three years. And still the greased piglet walks away unpunished every single time.
No meaningful punishment anyway.

When is a final judgment going to be made on this arrogant ****?

Seems the enquiry is now asking for all the whats apps and diary's of the pigman, should thank those whats apps released earlier in the year for this as it's highlighted how much the app was used.

 

[The Clamp]

They’re just going to refuse to hand them over. Well, they are refusing.
I hope the enquiry brings criminal proceedings against Johnson and his cohorts and skewers the bastards.
Really press and press and press and don’t stop until the full force of the law is reached.
Then send them to Rwanda .

 

[Thunder Bolt]

They’re just going to refuse to hand them over. Well, they are refusing.
I hope the enquiry brings criminal proceedings against Johnson and his cohorts and skewers the bastards.
Really press and press and press and don’t stop until the full force of the law is reached.
Then send them to Rwanda .

This was started by Cummings in revenge, and I’m fairly sure his WhatsApp messages have been saved. That’s the problem with greedy selfish people, they are greedy selfish people, and will turn on each other if it benefits them.
Interesting to watch.

 

[WATFORD zero]

What have this cabal done to the Conservative party ?

'Will the last Tory MP please turn out the lights': Whatsapp messages reveal turmoil in the Conservative Party

A trove of leaked WhatsApp messages between MPs has laid bare the scale of the turmoil engulfing the Conservative Party. Panicking Tory MPs warned the party is on course to turn into a “skip fire” and could even “die”. And Simon Hoare, a Conservative MP since 2015, said: “Would the last Tory MP to leave the building please turn off the lights.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-chequers-conservative-whatsapp-b2345494.html

And people wonder why so little thought, time and effort is going into running the country as it plunges from crisis to crisis on a seemingly hourly basis

 

[clapham_gull]

 

[Acker79]

Looks like the newsthump team couldn't decide...