[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[nicko31]

Controversial?

Is this actually genuine?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Racist councillor has to resign. He is also a magistrate.

Conservative councillor who made slave comments withdraws from Tory party

A CONSERVATIVE member of Pembrokeshire County Council, alleged to have said that all white men should have a black slave, has withdrawn from the political group and referred himself to the Ombudsman. Conservative county councillor for Haverfordwest’s Prendergast ward Andrew Edwards is claimed to...

pembrokeshire-herald.com

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Voted out at the next election, which is the only feasible and sensible way of getting rid of a toxic government.

I worry that Starmer (presumably after advice was offered) has made a mistake by cranking up the personal attacks on Sunak. By attacking a 4 month old PM for more than a decade's worth of (and I can't quite get my head around this) something to do with not locking up paedophiles, seems very nuanced. Only the dimmest of floating voter, the sort to daub threats on a paediatrician's house, are likely to be triggered here. And only if they can get their head around the accusation.

I heard a labour MP defend this on R5 this morning. A plucky display. But it smacked of a (semi-successful) argument in a debating society contest at a mid ranking university (better than East Anglia, not as prestigious as QMUL) where she won on points. Maybe. The tory spokesman quite rightly argued that by the same logic, a former DPP (*cough* Kier Starmer *cough*) supports paedophiles by failing to (something something something) Jimmy Savile.

I don't really see the value of nuanced posturing dog attacks, unless the trope already resonates, and the gambit firms up support. I think Sunak is a bit of a suit, but he obviously works hard and smart (even if his getting rich was simply the product of successfully wooing a rich bird - I couldn't do that - not that I'd want to, but anyway...) so to accuse him of being either lazy and useless, or pro-paedophile, strikes me as being a bit dim. There are easier ways' of showing someone is lazy and useless.

Never plan an ad campaign during a massive liquid lunch with fellow members of an opinion bubble. (I think there was a thread on NSC on this, years ago).

Is Starmer going to crush all my hopes and dreams? Hmmmmm.....

Hopefully someone will be along soon to explain how I have made a mistake....

 

[Pevenseagull]

Racist councillor has to resign. He is also a magistrate.

Conservative councillor who made slave comments withdraws from Tory party

A CONSERVATIVE member of Pembrokeshire County Council, alleged to have said that all white men should have a black slave, has withdrawn from the political group and referred himself to the Ombudsman. Conservative county councillor for Haverfordwest’s Prendergast ward Andrew Edwards is claimed to...

pembrokeshire-herald.com

'Alleged to have said'

Jesus wept.

 

[Lever]

Is this actually genuine?

It should be... but no, I think not!

 

[A1X]

I worry that Starmer (presumably after advice was offered) has made a mistake by cranking up the personal attacks on Sunak. By attacking a 4 month old PM for more than a decade's worth of (and I can't quite get my head around this) something to do with not locking up paedophiles, seems very nuanced. Only the dimmest of floating voter, the sort to daub threats on a paediatrician's house, are likely to be triggered here. And only if they can get their head around the accusation.

I heard a labour MP defend this on R5 this morning. A plucky display. But it smacked of a (semi-successful) argument in a debating society contest at a mid ranking university (better than East Anglia, not as prestigious as QMUL) where she won on points. Maybe. The tory spokesman quite rightly argued that by the same logic, a former DPP (*cough* Kier Starmer *cough*) supports paedophiles by failing to (something something something) Jimmy Savile.

I don't really see the value of nuanced posturing dog attacks, unless the trope already resonates, and the gambit firms up support. I think Sunak is a bit of a suit, but he obviously works hard and smart (even if his getting rich was simply the product of successfully wooing a rich bird - I couldn't do that - not that I'd want to, but anyway...) so to accuse him of being either lazy and useless, or pro-paedophile, strikes me as being a bit dim. There are easier ways' of showing someone is lazy and useless.

Never plan an ad campaign during a massive liquid lunch with fellow members of an opinion bubble. (I think there was a thread on NSC on this, years ago).

Is Starmer going to crush all my hopes and dreams? Hmmmmm.....

Hopefully someone will be along soon to explain how I have made a mistake....

Listening to Alastair Campbell on his podcast, he said before the advert nobody was listening to Labour on their law and order policies, now they are. It’s a crude way of getting attention to talk about what you want to, but it seems to have worked in that regard.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Listening to Alastair Campbell on his podcast, he said before the advert nobody was listening to Labour on their law and order policies, now they are. It’s a crude way of getting attention to talk about what you want to, but it seems to have worked in that regard.

I hope it doesn’t backfire as I’m not comfortable with it.

 

[AlbionBro]

I hope it doesn’t backfire as I’m not comfortable with it.

I feel that way too. Let's hope Labour can control their urges and not to become all Tory like.

 

[nicko31]

I feel that way too. Let's hope Labour can control their urges and not to become all Tory like.

So much low hanging fruit to attack the Tories, no need to head to the gutter

NHS on the brink, broken economy, spiralling debt, cronyism etc etc

 

[Lever]

Made me smile...

 

[Nobby]

I worry that Starmer (presumably after advice was offered) has made a mistake by cranking up the personal attacks on Sunak. By attacking a 4 month old PM for more than a decade's worth of (and I can't quite get my head around this) something to do with not locking up paedophiles, seems very nuanced. Only the dimmest of floating voter, the sort to daub threats on a paediatrician's house, are likely to be triggered here. And only if they can get their head around the accusation.

I heard a labour MP defend this on R5 this morning. A plucky display. But it smacked of a (semi-successful) argument in a debating society contest at a mid ranking university (better than East Anglia, not as prestigious as QMUL) where she won on points. Maybe. The tory spokesman quite rightly argued that by the same logic, a former DPP (*cough* Kier Starmer *cough*) supports paedophiles by failing to (something something something) Jimmy Savile.

I don't really see the value of nuanced posturing dog attacks, unless the trope already resonates, and the gambit firms up support. I think Sunak is a bit of a suit, but he obviously works hard and smart (even if his getting rich was simply the product of successfully wooing a rich bird - I couldn't do that - not that I'd want to, but anyway...) so to accuse him of being either lazy and useless, or pro-paedophile, strikes me as being a bit dim. There are easier ways' of showing someone is lazy and useless.

Never plan an ad campaign during a massive liquid lunch with fellow members of an opinion bubble. (I think there was a thread on NSC on this, years ago).

Is Starmer going to crush all my hopes and dreams? Hmmmmm.....

Hopefully someone will be along soon to explain how I have made a mistake....

This did strike me as dim too. It’s worrying.
The Tory attack dogs just concentrate on the Boats and Gender as a stick on Starmer
If there is any high ground left, then Starmer has to try and take it.
Keep concentrating on real life issues and not
just get into the cesspool to pick a fight with the likes of Lee Anderson

 

[sparkie]

From the Government website :

Apply for photo ID to vote (called a ‘Voter Authority Certificate’)

Apply for photo ID to vote (Voter Authority Certificate) in some elections and referendums in Great Britain if you do not have an accepted form of ID.

www.gov.uk

"You only need to apply for a Voter Authority Certificate if:

• you do not have accepted photo ID
• you no longer look like the photo on your ID
• the name on your photo ID is different to your name on the electoral register

You’ll need to complete your application by 5pm on 25 April 2023 to get a Voter Authority Certificate for the 4 May 2023 elections in England."

I think the bold bit is a little subjective. Who decides ? The untrained, amateur local on the desk ?

This is way open to abuse, I think.

 

[BLOCK F]

I worry that Starmer (presumably after advice was offered) has made a mistake by cranking up the personal attacks on Sunak. By attacking a 4 month old PM for more than a decade's worth of (and I can't quite get my head around this) something to do with not locking up paedophiles, seems very nuanced. Only the dimmest of floating voter, the sort to daub threats on a paediatrician's house, are likely to be triggered here. And only if they can get their head around the accusation.

I heard a labour MP defend this on R5 this morning. A plucky display. But it smacked of a (semi-successful) argument in a debating society contest at a mid ranking university (better than East Anglia, not as prestigious as QMUL) where she won on points. Maybe. The tory spokesman quite rightly argued that by the same logic, a former DPP (*cough* Kier Starmer *cough*) supports paedophiles by failing to (something something something) Jimmy Savile.

I don't really see the value of nuanced posturing dog attacks, unless the trope already resonates, and the gambit firms up support. I think Sunak is a bit of a suit, but he obviously works hard and smart (even if his getting rich was simply the product of successfully wooing a rich bird - I couldn't do that - not that I'd want to, but anyway...) so to accuse him of being either lazy and useless, or pro-paedophile, strikes me as being a bit dim. There are easier ways' of showing someone is lazy and useless.

Never plan an ad campaign during a massive liquid lunch with fellow members of an opinion bubble. (I think there was a thread on NSC on this, years ago).

Is Starmer going to crush all my hopes and dreams? Hmmmmm.....

Hopefully someone will be along soon to explain how I have made a mistake....

Personally, I think it was a weird thing for Labour to do, but they don’t seem to be backing down on this. I saw Wes Streeting telling Trevor Phillips on telly this morning that he approved of it and that there was more (presumably of the same) to come.
He also soft pedalled on the doctors strike, when privately, from what he has said in the recent past, I reckon he would love to have a right old pop at the BMA and I hope he will still have the cojones to do so when, and if, he becomes the next Health Secretary.

 

[clapham_gull]

This did strike me as dim too. It’s worrying.
The Tory attack dogs just concentrate on the Boats and Gender as a stick on Starmer
If there is any high ground left, then Starmer has to try and take it.
Keep concentrating on real life issues and not
just get into the cesspool to pick a fight with the likes of Lee Anderson

I hate that sort of campaigning but it (unfortunately) works. It gets people talking the Government's record. It's caught the Tories out because they didn't expect it from Labour and its exactly the way they are going to fight the next election.

 

[AlbionBro]

So much low hanging fruit to attack the Tories, no need to head to the gutter

NHS on the brink, broken economy, spiralling debt, cronyism etc etc

My thoughts too, if we keep out of the gutter and the Tories can't find too much mud to fling elsewhere, we should have a landslide. But I do feel Keir still needs to be more dynamic to shut off any slight chance of them winning too many seats, every seat will count to turn around the countries rebuild.

 

[Soton Seagull]

Sunak being investigated by Watchdog

And he is meant to be the calming reassuarance of modern Conservatism

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sunak being investigated by Watchdog

And he is meant to be the calming reassuarance of modern Conservatism

Rishi Sunak faces ethics watchdog probe over Budget ‘benefit’ to wife’s shares

PM accused of ducking ‘proper scrutiny’ as he faces probe relating to wife’s shares in firm boosted by Budget

www.independent.co.uk

The prime minister is facing questions after it emerged that a childcare agency part-owned by his wife Akshata Murty would benefit from policy changes in the budget.

The prime minister did not mention his wife’s interest when speaking about the childcare reforms at a parliamentary committee last month – despite being asked if he had anything to declare.

 

[jcdenton08]

You see, now would’ve been the right time for a Labour attack ad on Sunak, if they are confident going down that political alley.

As it is, they’ve wasted their shot on a dodgy, arguably unethical campaign. If they attack again now, it will look even worse.

Massive balls up at Labour HQ. Attack the facts, the sleaze, not wild allegations in an attempt to rile up John Q Simpleton.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I think Labour HAVE to attack Sunak personally, otherwise there is a danger some voters will conclude Rishi is a lot better and more stable than Boris / Liz Truss / Theresa May and deserves another 4 years to sort out their mess.

 

[jcdenton08]

I think Labour HAVE to attack Sunak personally, otherwise there is a danger some voters will conclude Rishi is a lot better and more stable than Boris / Liz Truss / Theresa May and deserves another 4 years to sort out their mess.

Then attack the actual problems with him, not the old “paedo” shit. It’s lowest common denominator.

Funnily enough, I was all in for Starmer prior to this, but after personally defending this campaign I’m having my first doubts.

All he has to do is be quiet and play a solid, safe election campaign closer to the election.