[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[rogersix]

It is a bit like the 1930's in Germany though , expect instead of sending people of to be executed we book them into hotels . Maybe we will invade Poland next and march on to Moscow , who knows what Rishi has planned next . seemed like a nice chap when he first appeared on our TV screen .

good input

 

[cjd]

It is a bit like the 1930's in Germany though , expect instead of sending people of to be executed we book them into hotels . Maybe we will invade Poland next and march on to Moscow , who knows what Rishi has planned next . seemed like a nice chap when he first appeared on our TV screen .

Whilst I'm not entirely in agreement with many on this thread who are just turning something a celebrity said into some sort of Holocaust theory.............You do know that many of the Jews put on the trains to the death camps, were assured they were going to holiday camps with good facilities...?


Can you see the mild correlation with putting "boat people" in hotels then wanting to transport them to Rwanda, telling the world they will be fine there, and........

Rwanda......that place where as recently as 1994 they committed genocide resulting in the deaths of an estimated 500,000 - 660,000 of the Tutsi,s in as little as just over three months.

 

[Lever]

Lineker criticised the LANGUAGE of the tory leadership, and frankly the LANGUAGE was not dissimilar to the rhetoric of 1930s Germany. That is where the similarity ends, although goodness knows where the language on either side of the argument could lead us. To talk about 'Poland invasion' etc just diminishes the debate.... again.

 

[Motogull]

Sadly Johnson's back room staff seem to still be there; the ones that adopted Trump's three word slogans. Stop The Boats is basically Build The Wall. Pretty insulting stuff really. Hopefully it will backfire on them as those that might have been influenced see it for what it is.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Whilst I'm not entirely in agreement with many on this thread who are just turning something a celebrity said into some sort of Holocaust theory.............You do know that many of the Jews put on the trains to the death camps, were assured they were going to holiday camps with good facilities...?


Can you see the mild correlation with putting "boat people" in hotels then wanting to transport them to Rwanda, telling the world they will be fine there, and........

Rwanda......that place where as recently as 1994 they committed genocide resulting in the deaths of an estimated 500,000 - 660,000 of the Tutsi,s in as little as just over three months.

Hitler’s first plan was to send Jewish people to Madagascar. Rwanda is a very similar idea.
We were led to believe that asylum claims would be dealt with there, but it has been revealed it’s a one way ticket.

 

[The Clamp]

It is a bit like the 1930's in Germany though , expect instead of sending people of to be executed we book them into hotels . Maybe we will invade Poland next and march on to Moscow , who knows what Rishi has planned next . seemed like a nice chap when he first appeared on our TV screen .

I think it’s more that the government are planning to detain and deport people with no legal recourse or representation.

But I suspect you know that.

 

[Lethargic]

You do realise basically every film clip of the 1930s which has survived is pro-Nazi propaganda, right?

I based my thesis on primary resources. I think you’ll find that trumps whatever shite you found on YouTube.

The holocaust as we would know it started in about 1936/37 with the enforced sterilisation of the disabled, with executions starting in 1937 at Sachsenhausen and Buchenwald.

Earlier than that Dachau was the first concentration camp and was opened in 1933.

 

[The Clamp]

Lineker criticised the LANGUAGE of the tory leadership, and frankly the LANGUAGE was not dissimilar to the rhetoric of 1930s Germany. That is where the similarity ends, although goodness knows where the language on either side of the argument could lead us. To talk about 'Poland invasion' etc just diminishes the debate.... again.

Quite. Language and rhetoric lead to belief and blind follow through.

Once you start down that road, bad things happen.

 

[Nobby]

It is a bit like the 1930's in Germany though , expect instead of sending people of to be executed we book them into hotels . Maybe we will invade Poland next and march on to Moscow , who knows what Rishi has planned next . seemed like a nice chap when he first appeared on our TV screen .

No that happens in about 12 years mate - read your history books again
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[Lever]

Refugee Blues by W H Auden

Comments & analysis: Say this city has ten million souls, / Some are living in mansions, some are living in hol

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Similarities?

 

[A1X]

Earlier than that Dachau was the first concentration camp and was opened in 1933.

It was, and the murders started almost immediately, but the organisation and systematic nature of them was a few years later (once the Nazis had a firm grip of power).

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

What we learn from history, is that it was people not realising what was happening in front of their very eyes, who contributed to the rise of Nazism. People who were told what to think and who accepted it blindly. People who didn’t look below the headlines of a subservient press. People who became brainwashed and brain dead to the realities happening around them.

Until it was too late.

There seem to be quite a lot of those people on this thread unfortunately…..

Luckily I have the worst of them on ignore, it seems. I don't see their posts, just the occasional withering and mocking replies that some intrepid stalwarts occasionally post in order to point out that what they have posted is utter drivel. Wokewanka and trumpboy, for example. God, the quality of my life has improved so much since I put these tory propagandists on ignore.

I have some sympathies for lifelong conservatives who are clinging on to the notion that it was right to vote for Johnson to save the nation from Corbyn, even though they had no strong feelings about leaving the EU, and found Johnson a bit of a worry. It must be hard for them to contemplate that their party has now been taken over by ruthless charlatans willing to resurrect any stinking trope to agitate people. A party that has decided that 'me and mine' versus 'foreigners' is the only game in town. A party whose leadership includes many whose ancestors came to the UK as refugees. I am hoping that decent tory supporters may soon wake up and smell the coffee. It isn't coffee, it is a drink disgusting and dangerous - lies, scapegoating and bile, with a union-jack shaped swirl in the scum floating on the top.

 

[Nobby]

Luckily I have the worst of them on ignore, it seems. I don't see their posts, just the occasional withering and mocking replies that some intrepid stalwarts occasionally post in order to point out that what they have posted is utter drivel. Wokewanka and trumpboy, for example. God, the quality of my life has improved so much since I put these tory propagandists on ignore.

I have some sympathies for lifelong conservatives who are clinging on to the notion that it was right to vote for Johnson to save the nation from Corbyn, even though they had no strong feelings about leaving the EU, and found Johnson a bit of a worry. It must be hard for them to contemplate that their party has now been taken over by ruthless charlatans willing to resurrect any stinking trope to agitate people. A party that has decided that 'me and mine' versus 'foreigners' is the only game in town. A party whose leadership includes many whose ancestors came to the UK as refugees. I am hoping that decent tory supporters may soon wake up and smell the coffee. It isn't coffee, it is a drink disgusting and dangerous - lies, scapegoating and bile, with a union-jack shaped swirl in the scum floating on the top.

It certainly does feel over the last ten years or so, that we are all on a rather slippery slope, and it's getting steeper all the time.

Where are the decent Conservatives now? Have they joined the Liberals? Or just given up completely? I take a look occasionally at the list of Tory MP's.

Most appear to be remnants from UKIP or replacements for the more liberal MP's kicked out by Johnson.

Up here - we have Peter Bone (nuff said) who moved his constituency office as it was opposite the local food bank, Mad Nad (nuff said), and our local guy, who replaced a "decent" Tory, Alistair Burt in 2019. Richard Fuller currently holds fourth place in the MP's external earnings list. He reports current earnings of £120k per annum for 12 hrs per month, plus around £100k a year in "donations" all obviously on top of his MP's salary. Owns a property in Texas, two houses in Warwickshire and a flat in New York.

Funny how it feels like it's only us mere mortals that are on that slippery slope.
And most of us, including some on here, don't even realise that they've started to slip.......

anyways - up the ruddy Albion

 

[Hugo Rune]

It was, and the murders started almost immediately, but the organisation and systematic nature of them was a few years later (once the Nazis had a firm grip of power).

But those murders were the sort of one ls Russians are doing against their political opponents. They waited a few years before declaring open season on Jewish people I think. They slowly ramped the rhetoric up starting with stuff like ‘stop the boats’.

 

[A1X]

But those murders were the sort of one ls Russians are doing against their political opponents. They waited a few years before declaring open season on Jewish people I think. They slowly ramped the rhetoric up starting with stuff like ‘stop the boats’.

Careful, you’ll be in trouble for comparing things to 1930s Germany in such a blasé way.

 

[sparkie]

The sooner we are rid of this despicable Government the better.

22 months to go.

 

[St Leonards Seagull]

The sooner we are rid of this despicable Government the better.

22 months to go.

I fear it’s going to be 22 long months of divisive language directly from Braverman et al, with catchy slogans such as “stop the boats” “but, what about Corbyn he was Labour once”. Just to gain votes. Hopefully enough people see through it and vote for change in whatever form that may be. Unfortunately my faith in the British electorate to see through lies, corruption and general incompetence has been somewhat eroded over recent years.

 

[A1X]

 

[BadFish]

I fear it’s going to be 22 long months of divisive language directly from Braverman et al, with catchy slogans such as “stop the boats” “but, what about Corbyn he was Labour once”. Just to gain votes. Hopefully enough people see through it and vote for change in whatever form that may be. Unfortunately my faith in the British electorate to see through lies, corruption and general incompetence has been somewhat eroded over recent years.

22 months

My word that is a long time with his government.

Imagine what they can do it that time.

 

[TomandJerry]

Two 16-year-old Afghan refugee girls will not be able to sit their GCSEs because the Home Office is moving them out of London weeks before their exams without guaranteed school places, their “heartbroken” headteacher has told the Observer.

Fulham Cross Girls School, an academy in London, enrolled 15 Afghan girls who were evacuated to the UK when the Taliban took power in 2021. They have been living in bridging accommodation in a hotel for a year and a half, but all the families were notified last week that they would be moved out of London at the end of March.