[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[BadFish]

Not sure if this has been posted but if is a pretty frightening indictment of who has been running the country.



here is the original call

 

[clapham_gull]

Except that the Reform Party also appears to be very popular among many working-class ex-Labour or Red Wall voters who think Starmer is too posh, Establishment, and pro-European (at heart). I've encountered quite a few of these people on social media.

So I envisage that the Conservatives and Labour will lose some votes to the Reform Party, which might just cancel each other out.

The reality is these fringe parties never really account for much at the general election. Whether than be the BNP, UKIP or SDP.

If they are going to target many Tory areas there will inevitably be some cranks in their ranks.

I'm not affiliated to any party, but I'd be surprised if the Tories aren't completely crushed at the next election on their current path with some very high profile MPs losing their seats.

Where it might be closer is if the Tories offer huge tax cuts in their manifesto, the very cuts we are collectively saving up for now. I think on balance they are still f****** because many Tory voters want their party back. They'll only get it if they spend a few years out of power.

My constituency will return a Labour MP so (unfortunately) it doesn't matter how I vote.

 

[A1X]

 

[Lever]

I feel compelled to ask..... can this government sink any lower into the mire?

 

[Ooh it’s a corner]

I feel compelled to ask..... can this government sink any lower into the mire?

The trouble is

every time you think they can’t possibly sink any lower

they do!!

and yet STILL some people defend the Government and believe the lies

WHEN WILL THE UK ELECTORATE WAKE UP?!!!

 

[A1X]

The trouble is

every time you think they can’t possibly sink any lower

they do!!

and yet STILL some people defend the Government and believe the lies

WHEN WILL THE UK ELECTORATE WAKE UP?!!!

BuT tHeY gOt BrExIt DoNe

 

[nicko31]

Except that the Reform Party also appears to be very popular among many working-class ex-Labour or Red Wall voters who think Starmer is too posh, Establishment, and pro-European (at heart). I've encountered quite a few of these people on social media.

So I envisage that the Conservatives and Labour will lose some votes to the Reform Party, which might just cancel each other out.

True, but in the red wall the Tories need to get the votes off Labour to win the seats. With majorities often quite small if they go to Reform instead they're likely to be stuffed.

 

[keaton]

Councils spent £12.5m on bids for Liz Truss’s investment zones, data shows

Exclusive: Labour compiled analysis of waste suffered by cash-strapped local authorities on the scheme, binned by the government weeks later

www.theguardian.com

 

[WATFORD zero]

Not sure if this has been posted but if is a pretty frightening indictment of who has been running the country.



here is the original call

I know of civil servants who feel similar, but due to the contracts signed it's a career ending decision to speak out, even though what has been going on under Johnson's Brexit cabal has been proven to be illegal. But I'm sure people knew what they were voting for

 

[BLOCK F]

The trouble is

every time you think they can’t possibly sink any lower

they do!!

and yet STILL some people defend the Government and believe the lies

WHEN WILL THE UK ELECTORATE WAKE UP?!!!

I am a Tory voter, but I truly believe that there should be a General Election asap as the present shower are unfit for office and require 10 years in opposition to regather and sort themselves out. I will not be voting for them at the next GE.
.
I am appalled by the likes of Zahawi and am staggered that he still holds office.
I am sure that there are many, like me, who hold moderate views, that are equally appalled.
Unlike some of the views expressed on here, not all those who don’t conform to the general NSC view of the world of politics are unspeakable morons.
P.S. I didn’t vote for Brexit, just in case anyone is in any doubt.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I've just been listening to PMQs and heard Starmer ask a question about Zahawi's tax situation to which Sunak replied 'but what about Jeremy Corbyn'. In the words of David Coleman, 'quite remarkable'

 

[nicko31]

I've just been listening to PMQs and heard Starmer ask a question about Zahawi's tax situation to which Sunak replied 'but what about Jeremy Corbyn'

The head of the SNP in Westminister asked the same and Sunak started going on about relief on heating bills and the minimum wage. Like Johnson all over again evading questions with pre-prep'd answers

When is the speaker going to show some backbone?

 

[KZNSeagull]

The head of the SNP in Westminister asked the same and Sunak started going on about relief on heating bills and the minimum wage. Like Johnson all over again evading questions with pre-prep'd answers

When is the speaker going to show some backbone?

This isn't a new phenomenon. PM's and indeed ministers have always avoided answering questions they don't want to answer. The speaker cannot intervene but dodging a question is an answer in itself.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

The SNP leaders questions were rather lovely

 

[rippleman]

The head of the SNP in Westminister asked the same and Sunak started going on about relief on heating bills and the minimum wage. Like Johnson all over again evading questions with pre-prep'd answers

When is the speaker going to show some backbone?

The Speaker has no backbone. He is an absolute shocker of a Speaker. Dear ol' Betty would never have let slippery Sunak avoid answering just about every question he has been asked.

 

[nicko31]

This isn't a new phenomenon. PM's and indeed ministers have always avoided answering questions they don't want to answer. The speaker cannot intervene but dodging a question is an answer in itself.

I appreciate politicans of all parties invade questions to some extent, but veering off onto a completely unrelated subject is not acceptable. Johnson set a new low in this area, usually ending with an attempt to pose a question to the opposition. Unchallenged Sunak is now doing the same, its a joke....

 

[WATFORD zero]

I appreciate politicans of all parties invade questions to some extent, but veering off onto a completely unrelated subject is not acceptable. Johnson set a new low in this area, usually ending with an attempt to pose a question to the opposition. Unchallenged Sunak is now doing the same, its a joke....

Almost as if he has spent the whole of what is now nearly 8 years in politics learning from Johnson

 

[Nobby]

I am a Tory voter, but I truly believe that there should be a General Election asap as the present shower are unfit for office and require 10 years in opposition to regather and sort themselves out. I will not be voting for them at the next GE.
.
I am appalled by the likes of Zahawi and am staggered that he still holds office.
I am sure that there are many, like me, who hold moderate views, that are equally appalled.
Unlike some of the views expressed on here, not all those who don’t conform to the general NSC view of the world of politics are unspeakable morons.
P.S. I didn’t vote for Brexit, just in case anyone is in any doubt.

Good for you sir

 

[TomandJerry]

Dominic Raab is facing a much broader bullying investigation than originally anticipated with at least 24 civil servants involved in formal complaints against him, the Guardian understands.

Government insiders believe the depth of the inquiry and severity of some of the claims means the deputy prime minister will struggle to survive in post, and throws further doubt on Rishi Sunak’s judgment for having him in such a senior position.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I am a Tory voter, but I truly believe that there should be a General Election asap as the present shower are unfit for office and require 10 years in opposition to regather and sort themselves out. I will not be voting for them at the next GE.
.
I am appalled by the likes of Zahawi and am staggered that he still holds office.
I am sure that there are many, like me, who hold moderate views, that are equally appalled.
Unlike some of the views expressed on here, not all those who don’t conform to the general NSC view of the world of politics are unspeakable morons.
P.S. I didn’t vote for Brexit, just in case anyone is in any doubt.

Great post.

I don't think the present Government are Tories in the way I understood it when I grew up, the Republicans in the US have the same issue and are effectively a two wing party. Say what you like about Maggie, there were at least some solid policies declared and they were financial rather than cultural or social.

I had the same issue with Labour. I've mostly been centre-left in my outlook and there was no way I could support Corbyn, although I voted for Kyle in Hove as an individual, a selfless constituency MP with a modicum of sense.

We somehow need to get back to a position where understanding nuance and talking to one another isn't a bad thing or "hypocrisy" but actually leads to better governance. I'm not holding my breath, because if that sort of attitude became prevalent the likes of Murdoch and Zuckerberg might lose a few quid.