[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[schmunk]

How about a proper fossil fuel windfall tax to give the nurses the pay rise they deserve?

Lovely idea, but upon which entity/ies are you planning to impose that tax, and how much do you expect to raise?

Remember, UK government has very restricted taxing rights on non-UK entities.

 

[beorhthelm]

How about a proper fossil fuel windfall tax to give the nurses the pay rise they deserve?

how do you pay the salary increase when the windfall doesn't apply? windfall taxes must not be used to supplement general spending. we could have a pool of money for more healthcare pay, the social care levy (NI), everyone complained and its gone. if nurses are to have a 17% rise thats going to be £5bn or so, we need a penny on income tax to cover that.

 

[BrightonCottager]

Lovely idea, but upon which entity/ies are you planning to impose that tax, and how much do you expect to raise?

Remember, UK government has very restricted taxing rights on non-UK entities.

A tax on carbon reflecting the social and environmental cost of climate change will be a good start. Yes, it would affect our lifestyles but it would fund a lot of 'good'. After all, one of the principles of taxation is that you tax the 'bad' and reward the 'good' with tax cuts.

 

[nicko31]

A tax on carbon reflecting the social and environmental cost of climate change will be a good start. Yes, it would affect our lifestyles but it would fund a lot of 'good'. After all, one of the principles of taxation is that you tax the 'bad' and reward the 'good' with tax cuts.

The Tories are incapable of anything like that.

Instead we have exemptions on windfall taxes provided they are ploughed back into digging yet more fossils fuels out of the ground.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Putin will be absolutely devastated if Nurses accept their paltry pay award. It would inevitably lead to him pulling his troops out of the Ukraine and giving up on his annexation plan. Nadhim has his finger on pulse here.

 

[medwayseagull reborn]

Putin will be absolutely devastated if Nurses accept their paltry pay award. It would inevitably lead to him pulling his troops out of the Ukraine and giving up on his annexation plan. Nadhim has his finger on pulse here.

I didn't think he had a pulse.

 

[Motogull]

Putin will be absolutely devastated if Nurses accept their paltry pay award. It would inevitably lead to him pulling his troops out of the Ukraine and giving up on his annexation plan. Nadhim has his finger on pulse here.

If Sophie was struggling not to laugh on hearing that, Putin will need a change of trousers.

 

[Machiavelli]

how do you pay the salary increase when the windfall doesn't apply? windfall taxes must not be used to supplement general spending. we could have a pool of money for more healthcare pay, the social care levy (NI), everyone complained and its gone. if nurses are to have a 17% rise thats going to be £5bn or so, we need a penny on income tax to cover that.

Are you familiar with what happens in negotiations between unions and employers?
Note, it's a rhetorical question, because you are, but this post suggests either that you're not, that you're simply parroting Tory mantra or, now slightly differently, that you're just repeating what the highly credible IEA pumps out.

 

[LamieRobertson]

 

[beorhthelm]

Are you familiar with what happens in negotiations between unions and employers?
Note, it's a rhetorical question, because you are, but this post suggests either that you're not, that you're simply parroting Tory mantra or, now slightly differently, that you're just repeating what the highly credible IEA pumps out.

did you reply to the wrong post? i didnt mention negotiations. i'm talking about how we fund a pay rise, using a windfull tax is the worst option as by definition its temporary. and its already spent elsewhere. we need tax rises to fund pay increases, and the last rise was roundly rejected by everyone.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

how do you pay the salary increase when the windfall doesn't apply? windfall taxes must not be used to supplement general spending. we could have a pool of money for more healthcare pay, the social care levy (NI), everyone complained and its gone. if nurses are to have a 17% rise thats going to be £5bn or so, we need a penny on income tax to cover that.

Everyone complained? Arguably best thing Boris did. Labour front bench said they'd find other ways to pay for it, other than that the only people i saw complaining were Truss and Kwarteng.

 

[beorhthelm]

Everyone complained? Arguably best thing Boris did. Labour front bench said they'd find other ways to pay for it, other than that the only people i saw complaining were Truss and Kwarteng.

it was one good policy, opposition complained about it for about a year, before it was introduced. they even tabled a vote against it. no alternative offered yet.

 

[St Leonards Seagull]

I just can’t understand this lot, I’m utterly dumbfounded each time they open their mouths.
Shows utter contempt towards NHS staff and people struggling to get by.
They take no responsibility whatsoever for the mess we are in. They have destroyed morale in the NHS over the last 12 years. It’s not just the last 4 years.
I’m sure people will still blindly defend them though, even though they’re clearly taking the piss.
Still, at least this charlatans horses are warm.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

it was one good policy, opposition complained about it for about a year, before it was introduced. they even tabled a vote against it.

They did. Not really going to defend them them much on this particular issue, just they have said they would fund it, but not through personal taxes.

They say that about many things though, but windfall taxes and nondom taxes will only get us so far. Still, I expect the economy will start performing better once Labour are in, like it did last time they got into power, so that should start generating more tax revenue

 

[Machiavelli]

did you reply to the wrong post? i didnt mention negotiations. i'm talking about how we fund a pay rise, using a windfull tax is the worst option as by definition its temporary. and its already spent elsewhere. we need tax rises to fund pay increases, and the last rise was roundly rejected by everyone.

No, I didn't. You parroted the line from the Tories that the RCN have demanded 17% strongly implying that they won't manoeuvre from that position. In reality, this dispute will be resolved with a pay increase lower than that but higher than the initial offer made (and, probably, further conditions to repair the damage done to their working arrangements).

If the nurses get a pay 'increase', it'll be a paltry one in real terms. You seem to be neglecting this too: their real terms pay has decreased substantially over the past decade. And this is one of the reasons why the NHS -- like so much else in this country -- is in crisis. Target tax rises on assets to pay for this alongside stopping the attacks on other public sector workers and other such services that are falling apart after 12 years of attacks from the Tories.

Beyond Brexit and leaving the public finances and public services in crisis, what else have this lot achieved in the past 12 years? (fwiw, I think they got most of the decisions right on covid -- the wrong ones were awful preparation, and slow to lockdown on a couple of occasions).

 

[beorhthelm]

No, I didn't. You parroted the line from the Tories that the RCN have demanded 17% strongly implying that they won't manoeuvre from that position. In reality, this dispute will be resolved with a pay increase lower than that but higher than the initial offer made (and, probably, further conditions to repair the damage done to their working arrangements).

i see your point. though the RCN have previously stated they're asking for 5% above inflation, so a target number would seem to be around that.

 

[nicko31]

Looks like Hancock stepping down at the next election, I'm shocked

 

[CHAPPERS]

Dishonest to the end. His conservatice constituency association gave him the boot a few days ago.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Dishonest to the end. His conservatice constituency association gave him the boot a few days ago.

Yep, a letter was seen yesterday but embargoed until today.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Julian Knight, suspended and whip removed following a complaint to the Met police.
Five Tory MPs are currently suspended.


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