[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[maltaseagull]

I can't understate how much I loathe the tories and those who knowingly vote for them - 12 years of persecuting the least well off (we're all in in together) following a financial crisis caused by out of control bankers and this is their answer. Tossers. Oh, and then announce a 'new' fighter jet deal that's been worked on for 5 years!

I am glad I cannot vote here or in the UK. Choices are which is the worst?
Here it's corrupt cronyism versus bitter infighting with no constructive ideas. There it seems corrupt cronyism versus no clear solutions.
If I am wrong please tell me what the Labour party's plans are to resolve all these crises.

Ps If I could vote , it would not be for either of the main parties in either country.

 

[rogersix]

I am glad I cannot vote here or in the UK. Choices are which is the worst?
Here it's corrupt cronyism versus bitter infighting with no constructive ideas. There it seems corrupt cronyism versus no clear solutions.
If I am wrong please tell me what the Labour party's plans are to resolve all these crises.

Ps If I could vote , it would not be for either of the main parties in either country.

the labour party can't know which specific crises they will be faced with.

the tories have to realize that their incompetence and greed is the main issue facing britain today, and pick a date. unfortunately, they are not the sharpest spoon in the drawer

 

[maltaseagull]

the labour party can't know which specific crises they will be faced with.

the tories have to realize that their incompetence and greed is the main issue facing britain today, and pick a date. unfortunately, they are not the sharpest spoon in the drawer

Sorry but forget party loyalty.
The Tories have made horrendous mistakes. But the current crisis is mostly due to the cost of the pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
What is Lanours solution to this?

 

[The Clamp]

Sorry but forget party loyalty.
The Tories have made horrendous mistakes. But the current crisis is mostly due to the cost of the pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
What is Lanours solution to this?

Nothing to do with 12 years of Tory incompetence rendering the U.K. incapable of dealing with crisis?

Nothing to do with 12 years of Tory corruption designed to transfer money from the public purse into the accounts of cabinet members and their cohorts?

Nothing to do with 12 years of running public services into the ground and keeping wages so low that even ambulance crew are refusing to work?

Nothing to do with 12 years of relentlessly untrustworthy leadership that for the best part of the last two years, instead of dealing with mounting crisis, have been at each other’s throats almost constantly?

Nothing to do with pursuing the most ludicrous of Brexits, whatever the cost, whatever the glaringly obvious damage it’s doing to our economy?

No, I’m sure all that has put is in great stead to deal with any crisis we face.

 

[jcdenton08]

Nothing to do with 12 years of Tory incompetence rendering the U.K. incapable of dealing with crisis?

Nothing to do with 12 years of Tory corruption designed to transfer money from the public purse into the accounts of cabinet members and their cohorts?

Nothing to do with 12 years of running public services into the ground and keeping wages so low that even ambulance crew are refusing to work?

Nothing to do with 12 years of relentlessly untrustworthy leadership that for the best part of the last two years, instead of dealing with mounting crisis, have been at each other’s throats almost constantly?

Nothing to do with pursuing the most ludicrous of Brexits, whatever the cost, whatever the glaringly obvious damage it’s doing to our economy?

No, I’m sure all that has put is in great stead to deal with any crisis we face.

Labour in the 70’s weren’t great. They hugely f***ed up the economy. Every political party fucks up the economy sometimes.

You need to get this out of your head that Labour will come in and fix/change everything. They won’t and can’t.

Party politics is cyclical. Soon it’ll be Labour’s turn again. There’s a reason they aren’t in government right now - they lost an election because they became desperately unpopular.

Right now the Tories are even more unpopular and will lose heavily, and then after Labour’s cycle, they will be unpopular and a new Tory government will come in and…

Party politics. It’s just party politics.

 

[clapham_gull]

Under Blair and Brown, Labour made two devastating mistakes. 1. Iraqi war. 2. Not have it enough regulation the banking industry.

Cameron got in on the back of point 2. Now the Tories want to deregulate bankers again. Another financial crash will surely follow at some point.

There was also the public private partnership of the London underground which collapsed.

It was such a c#####f### that no one really knows how much money it wasted but it ran into billions. There is pouring billions "down the tube", but also not being aware of how many billions were lost.

Attention (obviously) was distracted by the Iraq war by the time of the collapse but it was a massive failure of the Government.

It's often cited as one of the worst mistakes of modern Government, up there with the poll tax, costing more money but often forgotten.

 

[rogersix]

Sorry but forget party loyalty.
The Tories have made horrendous mistakes. But the current crisis is mostly due to the cost of the pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
What is Lanours solution to this?

er, you can only control the controlables, what have the tories done in 12 years except brexit? in all seriousness, who could be worse than this rabble?

 

[rogersix]

Labour in the 70’s weren’t great. They hugely f***ed up the economy. Every political party fucks up the economy sometimes.

You need to get this out of your head that Labour will come in and fix/change everything. They won’t and can’t.

Party politics is cyclical. Soon it’ll be Labour’s turn again. There’s a reason they aren’t in government right now - they lost an election because they became desperately unpopular.

Right now the Tories are even more unpopular and will lose heavily, and then after Labour’s cycle, they will be unpopular and a new Tory government will come in and…

Party politics. It’s just party politics.

what type of nation would you like to live in?

 

[The Clamp]

Labour in the 70’s weren’t great. They hugely f***ed up the economy. Every political party fucks up the economy sometimes.

You need to get this out of your head that Labour will come in and fix/change everything. They won’t and can’t.

Party politics is cyclical. Soon it’ll be Labour’s turn again. There’s a reason they aren’t in government right now - they lost an election because they became desperately unpopular.

Right now the Tories are even more unpopular and will lose heavily, and then after Labour’s cycle, they will be unpopular and a new Tory government will come in and…

Party politics. It’s just party politics.

When have I ever expressed the opinion labour will fix everything?
While I do not trust Starmer or particularly like him, right now we need a government that, while they may not fix everything might at least stop making it worse.

 

[jcdenton08]

er, you can only control the controlables, what have the tories done in 12 years except brexit? in all seriousness, who could be worse than this rabble?

Very few people are disagreeing with you that the Tories need to go. But supporting party politics is like being a huge Visa fan instead of Mastercard. You’re getting the same thing, branded differently, with paid employees who just want to benefit themselves and their own ambition. Like any other job.

I realised years and years ago that party politics is a mugs game. The more partisan people are the less they actually know about politics.

“One shifts from left to right. Politics is the art of the possible”.

 

[jcdenton08]

what type of nation would you like to live in?

One where people think for themselves and don’t deify one group of politicians and their supporters, and vilify the others because they see things differently.

 

[maltaseagull]

er, you can only control the controlables, what have the tories done in 12 years except brexit? in all seriousness, who could be worse than this rabble?

You haven't answered the question.

As I said earlier, Tories are corrupt and look after their friends. Not defending them at all but they had 2 uncontrollable situations.
What have your party ( you are clearly a Labour supporter) said that they will do to resolve the energy and cost of living crisis? It's so much easier in opposition.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Good luck with that

 

[rogersix]

Very few people are disagreeing with you that the Tories need to go. But supporting party politics is like being a huge Visa fan instead of Mastercard. You’re getting the same thing, branded differently, with paid employees who just want to benefit themselves and their own ambition. Like any other job.

I realised years and years ago that party politics is a mugs game. The more partisan people are the less they actually know about politics.

“One shifts from left to right. Politics is the art of the possible”.

which is why i've voted for four different parties.

another pithy slogan for you, "just because you can't do everything, it doesn't mean you should do nothing"

 

[rogersix]

You haven't answered the question.

As I said earlier, Tories are corrupt and look after their friends. Not defending them at all but they had 2 uncontrollable situations.
What have your party ( you are clearly a Labour supporter) said that they will do to resolve the energy and cost of living crisis? It's so much easier in opposition.

you guesses are apalling!

 

[clapham_gull]

Very few people are disagreeing with you that the Tories need to go. But supporting party politics is like being a huge Visa fan instead of Mastercard. You’re getting the same thing, branded differently, with paid employees who just want to benefit themselves and their own ambition. Like any other job.

I realised years and years ago that party politics is a mugs game. The more partisan people are the less they actually know about politics.

“One shifts from left to right. Politics is the art of the possible”.

I was talking to a young Indian man recently who had just come into the country to work on a contract.

He was asking me what was going on with Government.

I explained it's quite simple in this country. Labour f*** up and The Tories get in, The Tories f*** up and Labour get in. It tends to happen in ten year cycles.

 

[sparkie]

I am glad I cannot vote here or in the UK. Choices are which is the worst?
Here it's corrupt cronyism versus bitter infighting with no constructive ideas. There it seems corrupt cronyism versus no clear solutions.
If I am wrong please tell me what the Labour party's plans are to resolve all these crises.

Ps If I could vote , it would not be for either of the main parties in either country.

2 cracking proposed policies by Labour so far :

1 - Create the Great British Energy Company to drive green technology, cut energy bills, and deliver more energy independence for the UK.

2 - Renegotiate the Brexit TCA ( Johnson's awful deal ) - although to be even-handed the dodgy deal expires in 2025 anyway so whoever is in power gets another go at it.

2 years out from an election then this is more detail than is to be expected from any opposition party.

 

[Peteinblack]

Nothing to do with 12 years of Tory incompetence rendering the U.K. incapable of dealing with crisis?

Nothing to do with 12 years of Tory corruption designed to transfer money from the public purse into the accounts of cabinet members and their cohorts?

Nothing to do with 12 years of running public services into the ground and keeping wages so low that even ambulance crew are refusing to work?

Nothing to do with 12 years of relentlessly untrustworthy leadership that for the best part of the last two years, instead of dealing with mounting crisis, have been at each other’s throats almost constantly?

Nothing to do with pursuing the most ludicrous of Brexits, whatever the cost, whatever the glaringly obvious damage it’s doing to our economy?

No, I’m sure all that has put is in great stead to deal with any crisis we face.

^ This x 1,000

 

[zefarelly]

I was talking to a young Indian man recently who had just come into the country to work on a contract.

He was asking me what was going on with Government.

I explained it's quite simple in this country. Labour f*** up and The Tories get in, The Tories f*** up and Labour get in. It tends to happen in ten year cycles.

Well thats bollocks.

 

[clapham_gull]

2 cracking proposed policies by Labour so far :

1 - Create the Great British Energy Company to drive green technology, cut energy bills, and deliver more energy independence for the UK.

2 - Renegotiate the Brexit TCA ( Johnson's awful deal ) - although to be even-handed the dodgy deal expires in 2025 anyway so whoever is in power gets another go at it.

2 years out from an election then this is more detail than is to be expected from any opposition party.

Strategically, I was surprised they announced the first so early as possibly better to catch the Tories on the back foot nearer an election.

However, the Conservatives clearly underestimate the modern public mood regarding the effects of many of their 1980s privatisations.

A nationalised energy company is probably a vote winner, irrespective of what that means in detail.

At the end of the day this administration has run out of steam and ideas and has been engulfed in scandal. It's Labour's to lose. My worry about Labour is I'm not sure who the "buffer" figure of John Prescott is, between the left and right of the party.