[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Icy Gull]

Out of interest, do you recognise any difference between the Conservative and Unionist party and Johnson and his cabinet, or are they all simply blue to you

What I don’t see is anything that inspires me about Starmer, and I mean anything.

I am no fan of Johnson either.

 

[WATFORD zero]

What I don’t see is anything that inspires me about Starmer, and I mean anything.

I am no fan of Johnson either.

You could have just said No. I'm guessing it would have saved you 10 mins thinking about it, and of course you're not

 

[Icy Gull]

You could have just said No. I'm guessing it would have saved you 10 mins thinking about it, and of course you're not

Should I just leave you to post for me?

As a point of interest do you think Starmer should quit if he gets a covid penalty?

 

[schmunk]

What I don’t see is anything that inspires me about Starmer, and I mean anything.

I am no fan of Johnson either.

But there lies the point - we don't need an inspiring leader; we need a competent one.

 

[drew]

But there lies the point - we don't need an inspiring leader; we need a competent one.

Couldn't agree more. The press seem to believe personality over substance. They want theatre more than anything else. It's a joke.

If you were having surgery, do you want the best surgeon or the one that is a character.

 

[Motogull]

"Remarkable gains"

Even by the fat messy bungle****'s own standards, that's remarkable. What a complete walloper.

 

[Icy Gull]

But there lies the point - we don't need an inspiring leader; we need a competent one.

I don’t disagree, not convinced Starmer is that man. I know feck all about politics so I could be very wrong, He just gives me the creeps

 

[dazzer6666]

I don’t disagree, not convinced Starmer is that man. I know feck all about politics so I could be very wrong, He just gives me the creeps

Greens have gained more seats in England than Labour currently

 

[Deleted member 2719]

But there lies the point - we don't need an inspiring leader; we need a competent one.

Smarmer is very competent in drinking beers and eating Currys in lockdown. I have yet to see anything else from him. He is just a born loser Imo and won't get anywhere near leading the country.

 

[clapham_gull]

It's all jolly exciting for probably 95% of posters on this thread, but it's just a mid term vote for local councillors, not a general election. A great opportunity for Labour voters to come out in force, Conservative voters to give their party a good, high profile kicking because they aren't happy, and a handful of Lib Dems, Greens and Independents to benefit from the fall out. Not to mention an opportunity for a few Tories to raise their heads above the parapet and criticise the leadership. Is it a big step towards a Labour government or just a massive protest vote. We all think we know Boris and probably think he won't give a monkeys. He'll waffle it away and say he's just concentrating on getting the job done. It will be an interesting ride, that's for sure, although whether Boris will still be in the saddle come the election that matters? We shall see.

Yes and no.

In terms of their performance there was no reason at all for local voters in Wandsworth to kick out the Tories with their lowest in the country council tax. None at all. I may not like the mothership politics but the bins are collected, the streets are clean and the libraries are still open.

This is an odd cake and eat it area. Many voters will simultaneously vote Labour in the general election and Conservative locally.

It's always a Labour MP and a Tory Council.

If so many voters have thought, bugger the low council tax, I want to send a message to the Tories even if it costs me a few quid, then partygate has resonated very strongly locally.

It may also be that the area is changing demographically with younger voters moving in who are less likely to vote Tory.

Whatever the reason Wandsworth is the Tories Local Council shop window.

It's just been kicked in.

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[DavidinSouthampton]

Couldn't agree more. The press seem to believe personality over substance. They want theatre more than anything else. It's a joke.

If you were having surgery, do you want the best surgeon or the one that is a character.

On the surgeon question, my brother-in-law is a new retired consultant general surgeon. We were at a social event at his house a few years ago and one of his near neighbours - a consultant neuro-surgeon was there and struck my wife and I as a complete pr@t - loud check jacket, flashy bow tie etc.

Afterwards, brother-in-law commented “I wouldn’t let him inside my head!”

 

[nicko31]

Arguably the biggest story of all..

Sinn Féin is on course to be the biggest party at Stormont after a symbolic breakthrough for Irish nationalism in Northern Ireland’s assembly election.

This shitshow is about to begin created by the Tories and the misguided DUP

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Couldn't agree more. The press seem to believe personality over substance. They want theatre more than anything else. It's a joke.

If you were having surgery, do you want the best surgeon or the one that is a character.

 

[Bozza]

Starmer lockdown rule breaking case being re-opened

Amuses me that he is basking in the glory of Johnson and the Tories losing so many seats as though people now love him rather than hate Johnson. Deluded

I'm genuinely baffled why Starmer hasn't resigned today based solely on how he seems to think these things should work.

Back in January, the mere announcement of an investigation into Johnson et al's lockdown behaviour was enough for Starmer to presume guilty unless proven innocent and called for Johnson to resign...

[tweet]1488176626642923521[/tweet]

So why, on the day police confirmed they are investigating his own behaviour relating to lockdown laws, has he not walked away?

And to reiterate, I've not got a horse in this race. I have no time for Boris Johnson and if I were made to vote for one or the other, then Starmer gets my 'X', but he can't have it both ways.

 

[Surrey Phil]

The only thing you can really read into these elections, is that given the amazingly low voter turnout, most people are clearly sick of politics & politicians!

 

[vegster]

I'm genuinely baffled why Starmer hasn't resigned today based solely on how he seems to think these things should work.

Back in January, the mere announcement of an investigation into Johnson et al's lockdown behaviour was enough for Starmer to presume guilty unless proven innocent and called for Johnson to resign...

[tweet]1488176626642923521[/tweet]

So why, on the day police confirmed they are investigating his own behaviour relating to lockdown laws, has he not walked away?

And to reiterate, I've not got a horse in this race. I have no time for Boris Johnson and if I were made to vote for one or the other, then Starmer gets my 'X', but he can't have it both ways.

Johnson has already been found guilty by a police investigation and refused to resign, and, in fact, denied he had committed an offence despite the fine. Starmer has already been cleared once by the police but the police are now investigating due to " New Evidence " ..... If Starmer is found to have broken any laws he WILL resign unlike Johnson who will deny,ignore and obfuscate despite being caught.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

Yes and no.

In terms of their performance there was no reason at all for local voters in Wandsworth to kick out the Tories with their lowest in the country council tax. None at all. I may not like the mothership politics but the bins are collected, the streets are clean and the libraries are still open.

This is an odd cake and eat it area. Many voters will simultaneously vote Labour in the general election and Conservative locally.

It's always a Labour MP and a Tory Council.

If so many voters have thought, bugger the low council tax, I want to send a message to the Tories even if it costs me a few quid, then partygate has resonated very strongly locally.

It may also be that the area is changing demographically with younger voters moving in who are less likely to vote Tory.

Whatever the reason Wandsworth is the Tories Local Council shop window.

It's just been kicked in.

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Interesting insight. Thanks for posting it.

 

[pocketseagull]

I'm genuinely baffled why Starmer hasn't resigned today based solely on how he seems to think these things should work.

Back in January, the mere announcement of an investigation into Johnson et al's lockdown behaviour was enough for Starmer to presume guilty unless proven innocent and called for Johnson to resign...

[tweet]1488176626642923521[/tweet]

So why, on the day police confirmed they are investigating his own behaviour relating to lockdown laws, has he not walked away?

And to reiterate, I've not got a horse in this race. I have no time for Boris Johnson and if I were made to vote for one or the other, then Starmer gets my 'X', but he can't have it both ways.

Because that was tweet was sent after months of Johnson repeatedly lying to Parliament?

Because Johnson stands accused of multiple offences and set the laws he then claims to not understand?

Because Starmer has already been investigated-and cleared of wrong-doing-so would probably be a bit rash to resign before a reinvestigation is completed?

 

[Icy Gull]

I'm genuinely baffled why Starmer hasn't resigned today based solely on how he seems to think these things should work.

Back in January, the mere announcement of an investigation into Johnson et al's lockdown behaviour was enough for Starmer to presume guilty unless proven innocent and called for Johnson to resign...

[tweet]1488176626642923521[/tweet]

So why, on the day police confirmed they are investigating his own behaviour relating to lockdown laws, has he not walked away?

And to reiterate, I've not got a horse in this race. I have no time for Boris Johnson and if I were made to vote for one or the other, then Starmer gets my 'X', but he can't have it both ways.

Quite, except Starmer will never get my vote, a choice between Johnson and Starmer is an abstention for me. I have no intention of voting on the no hoper parties who do so well until a General Election either

If Starmer is so virtuous he should now do the decent thing and fall on his sword, but of course he’ll wriggle, just like Johnson, yet so many are gagging for him to govern

 

[Bozza]

Johnson has already been found guilty by a police investigation and refused to resign, and, in fact, denied he had committed an offence despite the fine. Starmer has already been cleared once by the police but the police are now investigating due to " New Evidence " ..... If Starmer is found to have broken any laws he WILL resign unlike Johnson who will deny,ignore and obfuscate despite being caught.

You've missed the nuance somewhat.

Starmer was calling for Johnson to resign, as evidenced in that tweet amongst other sources, at the point the investigation was announced.

Johnson had not been found guilty at that time. That he subsequently was is irrelevant to my point. Starmer called for Johsnon to resign merely because he was being investigated.

Starmer is being investigated. Why hasn't he resigned?