[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Machiavelli]

Sadly I think this current obsession with cake and parties is missing the big picture... and I dont directly mean the Ukraine issue, though it is connected. I am simply going to say energy crisis... prices, capacity and the 'green' politics leading us to unsustainable energy policy.... renewables are not the answer.

Germany is at crisis point, eliminating nuclear in favour of greener strategies and yet still is on an upward trend of fossil fuel usage, and enormous reliance on Russia for its ability to maintain production.

Watch closely over the next three years what happens to energy prices...

Thats the big story, not effin cake.

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Would you care to:
1, share with us the levels of energy consumption in the UK during this millennium
2, share with us the price of renewables energy over the last decade or so

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

A little mixed up there.

The financial crash was a bit Labour's fault as they had been in Government for 10 years at the time of the crash, and they were responsible for financial regulation even though you think it would have been worse under the Tories ?

Surely, by the same logic, the energy prices are a bit the Tories fault as they have been in Government for 12 years at the time of the energy crisis, and they were responsible for the 'plan that we are locked into' for energy transition which is the basis of the energy crisis.

It does seem a bit 'having your cake and eating it' .

Personally, I don't think either Government were responsible for either situation (not even a little bit )

Only in that they had direct oversight over financial regulation. However, they did nothing differently from the rest of the Western world therefore it would be a very cheap shot and I am not making it. The Tories would have been worse so therefore dodged a bullet by not being in charge at that time. I do think fuel price inflation is here to afflict all Governments from either side for some years to come until the transition is complete. Nothing can be done about it.

 

[Jim in the West]

I see Tugendhat has thrown his hat in the ring in the case of a potential leadership contest. Of course, a very long way to go yet....but I'm slightly conflicted. It would be very refreshing to have a vaguely sensible PM. But on the other hand, a credible Tory party leader could easily win the next GE, which would almost certainly be a disaster. Is it better for the country to have a "normal" centre-right Tory government for the foreseeable future, or a continuation of the complete embarrassment of a far-right government for the next few years (with a reasonable likelihood that Labour could win a GE in 2024)?

 

[pb21]

I see Tugendhat has thrown his hat in the ring in the case of a potential leadership contest. Of course, a very long way to go yet....but I'm slightly conflicted. It would be very refreshing to have a vaguely sensible PM. But on the other hand, a credible Tory party leader could easily win the next GE, which would almost certainly be a disaster. Is it better for the country to have a "normal" centre-right Tory government for the foreseeable future, or a continuation of the complete embarrassment of a far-right government for the next few years (with a reasonable likelihood that Labour could win a GE in 2024)?

Tugendhat is far too sensible and neither 'anti-woke' or nationalist enough to lead the Tory party at the moment; similar to Stewart.

 

[beorhthelm]

I agree with all of that. All.

Unlike you, as a labour supporter (most of the time; I skim over the Corbyn years), it still gets my goat that the usual suspects blame the entire crash and the subsequent 'austerity' on Brown, so I like to stick up for him. Brown was a strange awkward man, prone to tantrums, and parsimonious, and completely unsuited to leadership, but.....he was a decent chancellor.

Anyway.....

apart from the pension fund raid, false end to boom and bust, ignore the economic cycle and the consequence to spending.

 

[Eeyore]

Heads of pins, constipated rats.

It's like Alan Bennett has joined NSC.

Bravo Sir.

I think Alan Bennett's appraisal of right wing governance is well covered in his diaries. A splendid read. Not much of his stuff I haven't read.

 

[heathgate]

apart from the pension fund raid, false end to boom and bust, ignore the economic cycle and the consequence to spending.

...and fanatical refusal to keep the banks and investment houses under proper regulation.

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[WATFORD zero]

apart from the pension fund raid, false end to boom and bust, ignore the economic cycle and the consequence to spending.

...and fanatical refusal to keep the banks and investment houses under proper regulation.

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No wonder we are where we are.

Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite

As if proof were needed

 

[vegster]

I see Tugendhat has thrown his hat in the ring in the case of a potential leadership contest. Of course, a very long way to go yet....but I'm slightly conflicted. It would be very refreshing to have a vaguely sensible PM. But on the other hand, a credible Tory party leader could easily win the next GE, which would almost certainly be a disaster. Is it better for the country to have a "normal" centre-right Tory government for the foreseeable future, or a continuation of the complete embarrassment of a far-right government for the next few years (with a reasonable likelihood that Labour could win a GE in 2024)?

Worryingly he could be the perfect man for the job...but, I think the Government has further to sink yet before enough he gets enough support.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I see Tugendhat has thrown his hat in the ring in the case of a potential leadership contest. Of course, a very long way to go yet....but I'm slightly conflicted. It would be very refreshing to have a vaguely sensible PM. But on the other hand, a credible Tory party leader could easily win the next GE, which would almost certainly be a disaster. Is it better for the country to have a "normal" centre-right Tory government for the foreseeable future, or a continuation of the complete embarrassment of a far-right government for the next few years (with a reasonable likelihood that Labour could win a GE in 2024)?

The Irony is that when the battle for Johnson's successor commences there will be the exact same cracks in the Party that Cameron tried to paper over with his referendum offer

 

[beorhthelm]

...and fanatical refusal to keep the banks and investment houses under proper regulation.

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not sure thats fair. regulation here wouldnt have done much to prevent problems in US, and the global nature of banking meant they are intrinsically tied together.

 

[franks brother]

Sussex University's Centre for the Study Corruption have said
Boris Johnsons administration is more corrupt "than any UK government since the Second World War. "There has been an absolute failure of integrity at No 10 which has consequences for democracy”.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-corruption-b2002869.html

 

[Bob!]

I see Tugendhat has thrown his hat in the ring in the case of a potential leadership contest. Of course, a very long way to go yet....but I'm slightly conflicted. It would be very refreshing to have a vaguely sensible PM. But on the other hand, a credible Tory party leader could easily win the next GE, which would almost certainly be a disaster. Is it better for the country to have a "normal" centre-right Tory government for the foreseeable future, or a continuation of the complete embarrassment of a far-right government for the next few years (with a reasonable likelihood that Labour could win a GE in 2024)?

I was rather hoping that Hunt could get to the final 2. Hopefully there will be a sensible centrist candidate to restore some normality to the UK Govt.

Much as I'd prefer a left of centre government asap, I think at the moment we need non-nutters in charge.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I was rather hoping that Hunt could get to the final 2. Hopefully there will be a sensible centrist candidate to restore some normality to the UK Govt.

Much as I'd prefer a left of centre government asap, I think at the moment we need non-nutters in charge.

Agreed, but this is the same Jeremy Hunt who was absolutely vilified when he was Health Secretary. If he becomes leader he will just be treated as if he is the new antichrist, as would anybody else.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

This piece of non-news has been a Sticky at top of BBC website for over 12 hours now, despite not even making Top Ten in Most Read tab. Anybody else smell fish?

 

[rogersix]

If only we were all as bright and enlightened as you, then the world would indeed be a better place.

I feel this has been covered before, the continued mantra of 'if you vote this, you're thick' has proven not to be the approach in order to achieve success. You stick with it.

thick people will make lots of mistakes when thinking, that's farly straight forward, isn't it?

 

[rogersix]

Fair enough but there seems to be a few people on here that seem quite excitable in thinking that if he goes starmer will get in which isn't going to happen


Regards
DF

you couldn't possobly know that, the same as everthing else

 

[JC Footy Genius]

thick people will make lots of mistakes when thinking, that's farly straight forward, isn't it?

On average, how many do you make per week then?

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[drew]

...and fanatical refusal to keep the banks and investment houses under proper regulation.

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[The Clamp]

I’ll have to read more about him before I form an opinion but Tom Tugendhat has thrown his hat into the ring. Former soldier and remainer at heart. So far so good? What do I need to know?

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-throw-hat-into-leadership-ring-boris-johnson