[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

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Corruption experts warn Boris Johnson’s government is worst since WWII

Experts have warned that Boris Johnson's administration is more corrupt "than any UK government since the Second World War". Robert Barrington, Professor of Anti-Corruption Practice at the Centre for the Study of Corruption in the University of Sussex said: "There is more corruption and corruption risk in and around this government than any UK government since the Second World War.

"The PM has direct influence on this through personal example and through what he allows amongst his Ministers and No. 10 staff. "There has been an absolute failure of integrity at No 10 which has consequences for democracy and Britain's global influence - and longer term, if unchecked, for the economy and national security.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-corruption-b2002869.html

What I find absolutely stunning is that this could come as a surprise to anybody. It's not like we weren't warned

 

[A1X]

this has been going on for 7 weeks already, the general public are past bored.

Just because you're quite content to live with a Government which treats the people is is supposed to represent as idiots don't assume others are. If there's one thing the British hate more than anything else it's being taken for a mug by those in charge.

 

[pb21]

Sadly I think this current obsession with cake and parties is missing the big picture... and I dont directly mean the Ukraine issue, though it is connected. I am simply going to say energy crisis... prices, capacity and the 'green' politics leading us to unsustainable energy policy.... renewables are not the answer.

Germany is at crisis point, eliminating nuclear in favour of greener strategies and yet still is on an upward trend of fossil fuel usage, and enormous reliance on Russia for its ability to maintain production.

Watch closely over the next three years what happens to energy prices...

Thats the big story, not effin cake.

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I think you underestimate the cake story. Its not just that he had some cake, or even that the cake was potentially technically illegal. It's the lies, the obfuscation, the lack of respect, the disconnect, the disdain, ultimately it is the culture of piss taking. On that basis I think the cake is a big picture issue, albeit indirectly.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Corruption experts warn Boris Johnson’s government is worst since WWII

Experts have warned that Boris Johnson's administration is more corrupt "than any UK government since the Second World War".

What I find absolutely stunning is that this could come as a surprise to anybody. It's not like we weren't warned

The people who could be ‘surprised’ by this are sick and tired of ‘experts’, they are sick and tired of the media’s obsession with Boris having a slice of Birthday cake in No.10 during lockdown (we all broke the rules, why should he?) and they are sick and tired of paying the BBC license fee. They won’t believe a single word this ‘leftie’ academic utters.

Everyone else would have seen this coming, but some have made millions out of Boris being PM and are quite happy to hold their noses while he and his horrific band of sycophants crash our wonderful Country from disaster to disaster. The next one being the Ukraine crisis. Heaven help us with this c*** in charge.

 

[Poojah]

Corruption experts warn Boris Johnson’s government is worst since WWII

Experts have warned that Boris Johnson's administration is more corrupt "than any UK government since the Second World War". Robert Barrington, Professor of Anti-Corruption Practice at the Centre for the Study of Corruption in the University of Sussex said: "There is more corruption and corruption risk in and around this government than any UK government since the Second World War.

"The PM has direct influence on this through personal example and through what he allows amongst his Ministers and No. 10 staff. "There has been an absolute failure of integrity at No 10 which has consequences for democracy and Britain's global influence - and longer term, if unchecked, for the economy and national security.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-corruption-b2002869.html

What I find absolutely stunning is that this could come as a surprise to anybody. It's not like we weren't warned

Once again, Boris is well ahead of the curve on this. He’s about to kick-off WWIII…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60179127

 

[Hugo Rune]

Sadly I think this current obsession with cake and parties is missing the big picture... and I dont directly mean the Ukraine issue, though it is connected. I am simply going to say energy crisis... prices, capacity and the 'green' politics leading us to unsustainable energy policy.... renewables are not the answer.

Germany is at crisis point, eliminating nuclear in favour of greener strategies and yet still is on an upward trend of fossil fuel usage, and enormous reliance on Russia for its ability to maintain production.

Watch closely over the next three years what happens to energy prices...

Thats the big story, not effin cake.

Yes. I agree. The big story is NOT effin cake.

The big story is about removing the fat c*** who lied to Parliament about breaking a rule he made. The big story is about getting a new leader and new cabinet in charge who can sort out the number of big issues we face including energy prices, the Ukrainian crisis, NHS staffing numbers and funding, the Northern Ireland protocol and the Walkers Crisps shortage.

This current lot can’t (with the exception of maybe the last problem). They are the worst. The worst Government this Country has seen in living memory.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Once again, Boris is well ahead of the curve on this. He’s about to kick-off WWIII…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60179127

The last thing we need is ham-fisted Johnson wading in.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

My goodness, is it that time already ? I'm off to the supermarket whilst those shelves are fully stacked.

I'd better be off, and I'd better be off NOW

I stopped reading him a long time ago. Let me guess: nothing to see here, and whatbout Jeremy Corbyn?

Bacon doesn't have a pulse, and I doubt he's even using his finger

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yep, I said pretty much the same several pages back. Wait until those fuel bill direct debits start doubling*. That will focus the minds of those protecting the government at the moment... **

*British gas have kindly offered me a fixed tariff until December 2023 for £205 per month, double the £100 I am currently paying.

** I appreciate the fuel crisis isn't all of the current government's making, but nor was the world financial crash Labours, but it did for them!

The fact that even you still (it seems) think that the global financial crash was (if only a little bit) Labour's fault illustrates how deep was the prior indoctrination effected by the tories in the 70s and 80s and their media support (back when Murdoch and others like the Mail and Express owners really were powerful). The mantra about labour ruining the economy triggers confirmation bias. Read up on Gordon Brown for the facts. His actions mitigated against the worst of it. And the 'environment' of free marketry would have made the UK even more vulnerable to global events had the tories been in power (albeit not by much - everyone had the same view about the economy back then, and the political battleground was elsewhere - yes, the fake issues of immigration and the EU). The 'would vote for a pig in a blue rosette' brigade, like JCFG on here, will be shouting over me and laughing before I had finished the first line of this, of course. It's what they do. But don't be fooled by it.

And with that, I will add that I don't think the fuel crisis has anything to do with Johnson. I don't really need to, either. He is grotesquely ghastly in so many other respects. However, one thing he should be doing, now, is fixing the fuel crisis. In contrast to Brown after the finance crash, he seems to be doing nothing whatsoever. The lazy, incompetant oaf.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Word of advice Boris. If you have a cunning plan, don't tell people ahead of time what it is.

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The fact that even you still (it seems) think that the global financial crash was (if only a little bit) Labour's fault illustrates how deep was the prior indoctrination effected by the tories in the 70s and 80s and their media support (back when Murdoch and others like the Mail and Express owners really were powerful). The mantra about labour ruining the economy triggers confirmation bias. Read up on Gordon Brown for the facts. His actions mitigated against the worst of it. And the 'environment' of free marketry would have made the UK even more vulnerable to global events had the tories been in power (albeit not by much - everyone had the same view about the economy back then, and the political battleground was elsewhere - yes, the fake issues of immigration and the EU). The 'would vote for a pig in a blue rosette' brigade, like JCFG on here, will be shouting over me and laughing before I had finished the first line of this, of course. It's what they do. But don't be fooled by it.

And with that, I will add that I don't think the fuel crisis has anything to do with Johnson. I don't really need to, either. He is grotesquely ghastly in so many other respects. However, one thing he should be doing, now, is fixing the fuel crisis. In contrast to Brown after the finance crash, he seems to be doing nothing whatsoever. The lazy, incompetant oaf.

I didn't think that Gordon Brown was particularly good as a PM or Politician, but anyone who has any inside knowledge of the Financial crash and actually knows what went on, recognises just how lucky we were to have someone of his undoubted intellect in charge at the time. That was a proper crisis where a complete disaster was avoided by quick well thought out and considered strategic decisions.

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

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The fact that even you still (it seems) think that the global financial crash was (if only a little bit) Labour's fault illustrates how deep was the prior indoctrination effected by the tories in the 70s and 80s and their media support (back when Murdoch and others like the Mail and Express owners really were powerful). The mantra about labour ruining the economy triggers confirmation bias. Read up on Gordon Brown for the facts. His actions mitigated against the worst of it. And the 'environment' of free marketry would have made the UK even more vulnerable to global events had the tories been in power (albeit not by much - everyone had the same view about the economy back then, and the political battleground was elsewhere - yes, the fake issues of immigration and the EU). The 'would vote for a pig in a blue rosette' brigade, like JCFG on here, will be shouting over me and laughing before I had finished the first line of this, of course. It's what they do. But don't be fooled by it.

And with that, I will add that I don't think the fuel crisis has anything to do with Johnson. I don't really need to, either. He is grotesquely ghastly in so many other respects. However, one thing he should be doing, now, is fixing the fuel crisis. In contrast to Brown after the finance crash, he seems to be doing nothing whatsoever. The lazy, incompetant oaf.

Erm, think you may have misread my post, or I've misunderstood yours!

Just to reiterate - the global financial crisis WASN'T Labour's fault, but the press made it so for the gullible members of the voting public, who believe everything they read...

Secondly, I don't think the current government are responsible for the fuel crisis, but I do think the oaf in the street will see it that way once his bills sky rocket, rather than blaming that nasty Mr Putin.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Erm, think you may have misread my post, or I've misunderstood yours!

Just to reiterate - the global financial crisis WASN'T Labour's fault, but the press made it so for the gullible members of the voting public, who believe everything they read...

Secondly, I don't think the current government are responsible for the fuel crisis, but I do think the oaf in the street will see it that way once his bills sky rocket, rather than blaming that nasty Mr Putin.

Sorry - yes - carried away with my own hubris (again). We are on the same page

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

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The fact that even you still (it seems) think that the global financial crash was (if only a little bit) Labour's fault illustrates how deep was the prior indoctrination effected by the tories in the 70s and 80s and their media support (back when Murdoch and others like the Mail and Express owners really were powerful). The mantra about labour ruining the economy triggers confirmation bias. Read up on Gordon Brown for the facts. His actions mitigated against the worst of it. And the 'environment' of free marketry would have made the UK even more vulnerable to global events had the tories been in power (albeit not by much - everyone had the same view about the economy back then, and the political battleground was elsewhere - yes, the fake issues of immigration and the EU). The 'would vote for a pig in a blue rosette' brigade, like JCFG on here, will be shouting over me and laughing before I had finished the first line of this, of course. It's what they do. But don't be fooled by it.

And with that, I will add that I don't think the fuel crisis has anything to do with Johnson. I don't really need to, either. He is grotesquely ghastly in so many other respects. However, one thing he should be doing, now, is fixing the fuel crisis. In contrast to Brown after the finance crash, he seems to be doing nothing whatsoever. The lazy, incompetant oaf.

It may be a little trickier to fix the fuel price crisis than the 2008 financial crash. The latter was excerbated by lax financial regulation so the UK effects were a bit Labour’s fault, as it was on their watch. However, I am saying that with the benefit of hindsight and wouldn’t necessarily have regulated any tighter if I was in charge. The Tories would certainly have regulated less so they should stay well clear of that debate. Unfortunately there is little anyone in the UK can do to mitigate against the short to medium term effects of sky rocketing fuel prices. We are locked into a plan and high prices, it could be argued, are a part of the plan to incentivize insulation and renewable energy and destroy demand. We are where we are and we need to complete the process, complete the energy transition and ensure our energy demand is so far reduced that fossil fuels are removed from the mix. The reality is that industry (as opposed to electricity generation capacity) has done little to reduce emissions despite the Carbon Emissions Permit requirements and fuel prices are going to have to go a lot higher for us to properly go green.

 

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It may be a little trickier to fix the fuel price crisis than the 2008 financial crash. The latter was excerbated by lax financial regulation so the UK effects were a bit Labour’s fault, as it was on their watch. However, I am saying that with the benefit of hindsight and wouldn’t necessarily have regulated any tighter if I was in charge. The Tories would certainly have regulated less so they should stay well clear of that debate. Unfortunately there is little anyone in the UK can do to mitigate against the short to medium term effects of sky rocketing fuel prices. We are locked into a plan and high prices, it could be argued, are a part of the plan to incentivize insulation and renewable energy and destroy demand. We are where we are and we need to complete the process, complete the energy transition and ensure our energy demand is so far reduced that fossil fuels are removed from the mix. The reality is that industry (as opposed to electricity generation capacity) has done little to reduce emissions despite the Carbon Emissions Permit requirements and fuel prices are going to have to go a lot higher for us to properly go green.

A little mixed up there.

The financial crash was a bit Labour's fault as they had been in Government for 10 years at the time of the crash, and they were responsible for financial regulation even though you think it would have been worse under the Tories ?

Surely, by the same logic, the energy prices are a bit the Tories fault as they have been in Government for 12 years at the time of the energy crisis, and they were responsible for the 'plan that we are locked into' for energy transition which is the basis of the energy crisis.

It does seem a bit 'having your cake and eating it' .

Personally, I don't think either Government were responsible for either situation (not even a little bit )

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It may be a little trickier to fix the fuel price crisis than the 2008 financial crash. The latter was excerbated by lax financial regulation so the UK effects were a bit Labour’s fault, as it was on their watch. However, I am saying that with the benefit of hindsight and wouldn’t necessarily have regulated any tighter if I was in charge. The Tories would certainly have regulated less so they should stay well clear of that debate. Unfortunately there is little anyone in the UK can do to mitigate against the short to medium term effects of sky rocketing fuel prices. We are locked into a plan and high prices, it could be argued, are a part of the plan to incentivize insulation and renewable energy and destroy demand. We are where we are and we need to complete the process, complete the energy transition and ensure our energy demand is so far reduced that fossil fuels are removed from the mix. The reality is that industry (as opposed to electricity generation capacity) has done little to reduce emissions despite the Carbon Emissions Permit requirements and fuel prices are going to have to go a lot higher for us to properly go green.

I agree with all of that. All.

Unlike you, as a labour supporter (most of the time; I skim over the Corbyn years), it still gets my goat that the usual suspects blame the entire crash and the subsequent 'austerity' on Brown, so I like to stick up for him. Brown was a strange awkward man, prone to tantrums, and parsimonious, and completely unsuited to leadership, but.....he was a decent chancellor.

Anyway.....

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

A little mixed up there.

The financial crash was a bit Labour's fault as they had been in Government for 10 years at the time of the crash, and they were responsible for financial regulation even though you think it would have been worse under the Tories ?

Surely, by the same logic, the energy prices are a bit the Tories fault as they have been in Government for 12 years at the time of the energy crisis, and they were responsible for the 'plan that we are locked into' for energy transition which is the basis of the energy crisis.

It does seem a bit 'having your cake and eating it' .

Personally, I don't think either Government were responsible for either situation (not even a little bit )

There is a difference between being responsible and taking responsibility. Evidence shows Brown took responsibility (and steps to mitigate) whereas Johnson is clueless.

However, I don't think we should be atempting to estimate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. As NB suggests we are where we are and the only game in town now is what to do next. My favourite thing to do next is 'get rid of Johnson'. After that, events will unfold.

Till then, the UK is like a constipated man who can't shit because he has a big fat rat living in his arse. That rat is Johnson.

 

[Is it PotG?]

There is a difference between being responsible and taking responsibility. Evidence shows Brown took responsibility (and steps to mitigate) whereas Johnson is clueless.

However, I don't think we should be atempting to estimate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. As NB suggests we are where we are and the only game in town now is what to do next. My favourite thing to do next is 'get rid of Johnson'. After that, events will unfold.

Till then, the UK is like a constipated man who can't shit because he has a big fat rat living in his arse. That rat is Johnson.

Heads of pins, constipated rats.

It's like Alan Bennett has joined NSC.

Bravo Sir.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Heads of pins, constipated rats.

It's like Alan Bennett has joined NSC.

Bravo Sir.

Sadly I take most of my inspiration from EL Wisty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDId8LBlXEk&t=23s

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Given the interesting conversation this morning, I feel that the following may well summarise the state of our current thinking rather well, using the Great Train Robbery as an allegory of the cuurent state of play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUrhdIxTJSA