[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Pevenseagull]

What the f**k is he doing going to Church and the Test Match, its a work day

The dirty 8 all seem pretty silent on twitter

I didn't bother with the 'Christians are good people' thread but I assume he featured prominently.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Tories once revered the 'sovereignty' of Parliament and the 'independence' of the Judiciary - but this ultra-Right-wing rabble only respect these institutions if they directly serve the Tories' agenda; otherwise they are to be denounced. suspended or ignored.

Edited for accuracy

 

[Eric the meek]

Not only is it unlawful to remove a migrant to Rwanda, but it costs £63,000 more to do so. ​

Cost to remove a migrant £63,000 more than keeping in UK

A report finds the estimated savings of removing a migrant to a "safe country" such as Rwanda are uncertain.

www.bbc.co.uk

Within the article above, there is a link to the Home Office Impact Assessment, which contains lots of things, but table 2 jumps off the page:

Year Average Supported Population PPPN Support cost, £
2016 42,000 13
2017 45,000 15
2018 49,000 14
2019 51,000 17
2020 57,000 24
2021 71,000 43
2022 96,000 76

That's 7 years of contiguous Home Office data, each year of which confirms that the process of 'taking back control', has resulted in more migrants year-on-year, and greater per person per night support cost year-on-year.

Conclusion:

1. Either the benefits of one of the foundation stones of Brexit - 'take back control', were misrepresented, or
2. Having taken back control, the Brexit government has been serially unable, for seven years, to reap the anticipated benefits of being in control, or
3. Both.

 

[Randy McNob]

Braverman's response will be predictable, they'll appeal and a Supreme Court ruling won't happen will early 2024 at the earliest.

Leaving the ECHR would of course put the UK on the same level as Putin's Russia. They've banned protest, why not go full fash?

You cannot just opt out of the ECHR, human rights are not optional, that's the nature of the framework to protect people from despot leaders coming in and suddenly denying them their basic human rights. Would never get through the house anyway and I suspect they know that

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Send Sunak and wife to live in Rwanda if it's so good.

 

[Machiavelli]

Not only is it unlawful to remove a migrant to Rwanda, but it costs £63,000 more to do so. ​

Cost to remove a migrant £63,000 more than keeping in UK

A report finds the estimated savings of removing a migrant to a "safe country" such as Rwanda are uncertain.

www.bbc.co.uk

Within the article above, there is a link to the Home Office Impact Assessment, which contains lots of things, but table 2 jumps off the page:

Year Average Supported Population PPPN Support cost, £
2016 42,000 13
2017 45,000 15
2018 49,000 14
2019 51,000 17
2020 57,000 24
2021 71,000 43
2022 96,000 76

That's 7 years of contiguous Home Office data, each year of which confirms that the process of 'taking back control', has resulted in more migrants year-on-year, and greater per person per night support cost year-on-year.

Conclusion:

1. Either the benefits of one of the foundation stones of Brexit - 'take back control', were misrepresented, or
2. Having taken back control, the Brexit government has been serially unable, for seven years, to reap the anticipated benefits of being in control, or
3. Both.

I'll go for option 3

 

[The Clamp]

They know damned well they will lose in the Supreme Court and they would lose any attempt to remove us from the ECHR.

They don’t care. They don’t care about immigration because it doesn’t affect them.

But what a failed appeal does is allow them to say
“See? See those lefty wokerati stopping us from helping Britain”

And they’ll have dum dums begging them to take away their human rights.


I can’t stand this country sometimes.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

They know damned well they will lose in the Supreme Court and they would lose any attempt to remove us from the ECHR.

They don’t care. They don’t care about immigration because it doesn’t affect them.

But what a failed appeal does is allow them to say
“See? See those lefty wokerati stopping us from helping Britain”

And they’ll have dum dums begging them to take away their human rights.


I can’t stand this country sometimes.

Plus all the tax payers money being wasted on lawyer fees when people are losing their homes or struggling to eat.

 

[nicko31]

You cannot just opt out of the ECHR, human rights are not optional, that's the nature of the framework to protect people from despot leaders coming in and suddenly denying them their basic human rights. Would never get through the house anyway and I suspect they know that

Not to mention running into the GFA and probably our TCA with EU. But they will throw red meat for the DM brain dead

 

[Randy McNob]

Plus all the tax payers money being wasted on lawyer fees when people are losing their homes or struggling to eat.

How come they get angry about the cost of Migrant hotels but not the cost of Rwanda scheme? Are they not good at maths?

 

[Questions]

It’s never been the cost on the Rwanda deal….. it just seems so wrong.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It’s never been the cost on the Rwanda deal….. it just seems so wrong.

For sensible people like you and me maybe.

For others it has never been the costs because . . . it just seems so right.

It has never been about preventing 'illegal' crossing. It has been about punishing people for having the temerity to cross 'illegally'.

Likewise there is a cohort of the population that doesn't care about crime prevention, they just enjoy a bit of punishment of criminals.

Dumb and dumber.

 

[WATFORD zero]

It’s never been the cost on the Rwanda deal….. it just seems so wrong.

It's because it's never been about cost of hotels, the costs of running an efficient asylum system, the costs of stopping all legal routes to asylum, the costs of stopping asylum seekers at the borders, the costs of lowering immigration, certainly not about the poor bastards involved or any of the other reasons given by this lying bunch of ****s.

It's been pure and simply about getting the racist vote, and even a significant proportion of that particular 'target market' are starting to wonder how well this is going.

That is why it seems so wrong. Because it is fundamentally and morally wrong on every single level

 

[TomandJerry]

Pupils across England are being taught in church and village halls, temporary classrooms and remotely at home, as crumbling school buildings are ordered to shut because of to safety concerns, an investigation has revealed.

 

[A1X]

How come they get angry about the cost of Migrant hotels but not the cost of Rwanda scheme? Are they not good at maths?

Performative outrage.

 

[clapham_gull]

Performative outrage.

Great band.

 

[chickens]

Great band.

Weren’t they on just before ‘Unworkable Policy’ on the Pyramid stage?

 

[clapham_gull]

Weren’t they on just before ‘Unworkable Policy’ on the Pyramid stage?

No, The Five Pledges came on next.

 

[chickens]

No, The Five Pledges came on next.

Oh, that’s right. And they were followed by “Chaos” ft. Ed Miliband.

 

[clapham_gull]

Oh, that’s right. And they were followed by “Chaos” ft. Ed Miliband.

Ed Miliband was replaced by Cultural Marxism at the last moment.

Gutted.