[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[TomandJerry]

The DUP and ERG have rejected Sunaks deal on the NI issue.

The civil war will rumble on!

 

[chickens]

The DUP and ERG have rejected Sunaks deal on the NI issue.

The civil war will rumble on!

At this rate, Labour will be shaping the new agreement after the next general election. The ERG have been foolish here, their time of influence is, I very much suspect, drawing to a close.

 

[Reddleman]

I am absolutely sick to death of the ERG and their ‘influence’ on British politics. If Sunak had anything about him he would impose a three line whip and anyone who voted against the bill loses the whip. The bill would still pass with Labour support and finally they could lance the boil. He won’t though.

 

[Rdodge30]

At this rate, Labour will be shaping the new agreement after the next general election. The ERG have been foolish here, their time of influence is, I very much suspect, drawing to a close.

Ridiculous sabotage from the ERG

However Labour will bring with them their own equivalent with the Socialist Campaign Group within their parliamentary party

And so it goes and so it goes

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I misled you, but I did it in good faith. For once, Boris is telling the truth.

In his mind, "in good faith" will mean "honesty or sincerity of intention".

Effectively, he is saying "I misled you, and that was my honest and sincere intention".

Ignorance is no defence of the law.

Mistake or ignorance of law. Ignorance or mistake of law is no defence to a criminal charge; mens rea does not involve knowledge on the part of a defendant that his acts or omissions were against the law and constituted a crime1.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I am absolutely sick to death of the ERG and their ‘influence’ on British politics. If Sunak had anything about him he would impose a three line whip and anyone who voted against the bill loses the whip. The bill would still pass with Labour support and finally they could lance the boil. He won’t though.

I agree the bill will pass anyway and about the ERG's ongoing idiocy, but what boil will replacing Johnson's 'Northern Ireland Protocol' with May's 'Northern Ireland backstop', now rebranded Sunak's 'Windsor Framework' lance exactly ?

 

[MJsGhost]

Ignorance is no defence of the law.

Mistake or ignorance of law. Ignorance or mistake of law is no defence to a criminal charge; mens rea does not involve knowledge on the part of a defendant that his acts or omissions were against the law and constituted a crime1.

Is this not about the parliamentary code of conduct rather than the law?

He's trying to say he didn't intentionally mislead the House, even though the investigation suggests that what he said was wrong.

Any sane person would look at the circumstances and decide that he knew enough AT THE TIME to know that the parties were against the rules and therefore he deliberately misled the House with his statements about them, but he has spent a sh|t-tonne of taxpayer's money on Lord Pannick to try and wheedle out on a technicality again.

Someone just needs to put the scruffy c**t in the bin, then in the sea, then on a slowboat to Rwanda

 

[rippleman]

Is this not about the parliamentary code of conduct rather than the law?

He's trying to say he didn't intentionally mislead the House, even though the investigation suggests that what he said was wrong.

Any sane person would look at the circumstances and decide that he knew enough AT THE TIME to know that the parties were against the rules and therefore he deliberately misled the House with his statements about them, but he has spent a sh|t-tonne of taxpayer's money on Lord Pannick to try and wheedle out on a technicality again.

Someone just needs to put the scruffy c**t in the bin, then in the sea, then on a slowboat to Rwanda

Is that before or after he has been ploughed into The Clamp's ditch?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Is this not about the parliamentary code of conduct rather than the law?

He's trying to say he didn't intentionally mislead the House, even though the investigation suggests that what he said was wrong.

Any sane person would look at the circumstances and decide that he knew enough AT THE TIME to know that the parties were against the rules and therefore he deliberately misled the House with his statements about them, but he has spent a sh|t-tonne of taxpayer's money on Lord Pannick to try and wheedle out on a technicality again.

Someone just needs to put the scruffy c**t in the bin, then in the sea, then on a slowboat to Rwanda

He's saying nobody told him it was wrong, or that is the way I have read it.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Is that before or after he has been ploughed into The Clamp's ditch?

Before, I'm sure even The Clamp wouldn't want him bought back from Rwanda just for that

 

[WATFORD zero]

He's saying nobody told him it was wrong, or that is the way I have read it.

I think he's saying that he had never had any f***ing idea what he was doing, even though he was telling everyone else what to do and not do, and nobody told him that he shouldn't blatantly lie about everything. He may have a case

 

[Machiavelli]

It was difficult to understand the law then: don't have parties. Just as it was difficult to understand parliamentary procedures: don't lie.
Poor Boris. His intentions are so good.

 

[Hotchilidog]

His defence is, yes I misled parliament but I had no idea I was doing it. So basically I did it, but not my fault guv. Absolutely risible.

Johnson is a serial liar in both his personal and professional life, there is no reason to believe he has ever done anything in good faith.

At the time of the parties people could not meet, many were isolated dealing with trauma of losing loved ones to the pandemic. This pathetic whining from this self-serving prat is a grave insult to all those abiding by the rules throughout the crisis. How anyone thought this chancer was ever suitable to run this country is beyond me.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Ridiculous sabotage from the ERG

However Labour will bring with them their own equivalent with the Socialist Campaign Group within their parliamentary party

And so it goes and so it goes

A lot of people use 'They're all the same' when they've made a crap decision and don't want to admit it. By claiming 'They're all the same' it somehow justifies their crap decision, a bit like saying 'All Chinese food is crap' because they chose a crap Chinese restaurant.

But I'm sure that isn't the case here

 

[A1X]

Johnson's claims he didn't understand the law might have more impact if he wasn't literally on TV every night telling us what the law was at the time.

 

[Rdodge30]

A lot of people use 'They're all the same' when they've made a crap decision and don't want to admit it. By claiming 'They're all the same' it somehow justifies their crap decision, a bit like saying 'All Chinese food is crap' because they chose a crap Chinese restaurant.

But I'm sure that isn't the case here

There are also people who consider any kind of comparison between governments to be whataboutery, thereby removing any option for comparison, as suits their narrative.

But I’m sure that isn’t the case here either

 

[lawros left foot]

Why did it take 53 pages just to say” Some big boys did it and ran away “

 

[CHAPPERS]

Is Suella Braverman still in the ERG?

 

[AlbionBro]

Marilyn Monroe once said “I’m not offended by all the dumb blonde jokes because I know I’m not dumb… and I also know that I’m not blonde.”
Unfortunately Johnson is blonde.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Is Suella Braverman still in the ERG?