[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[WATFORD zero]

Is Suella Braverman still in the ERG?

She claimed to be but since it is a group of MPs for which there is no confirmed membership list or available list of funders, who knows

The only membership details speculated were those copied into an e-mail from Steve Baker as a result of a freedom of information request when he was a junior minister in DExEU, but this isn't conclusive. Bit of a cock up there Steve e-mailing from a ministerial account, Suella got fired for similar

Although apparently it doesn't stop them getting public funding through the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority

 

[Machiavelli]

Wow. If the criteria was competence, a Malcolm Tucker moment would be forthcoming after that. Instead, promo to Home Secretary, what many regard to be the most challenging office of state.

 

[Motogull]

Johnson is still lying. He was lying then and he is lying now. He really needs sacking off.

The ERG probably hate him now. They were at their most potent under the May government because of her low majority. Johnson's huge majority means they can't be so harmful. Bunch of kunnts.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

His defence is, yes I misled parliament but I had no idea I was doing it. So basically I did it, but not my fault guv. Absolutely risible.

Johnson is a serial liar in both his personal and professional life, there is no reason to believe he has ever done anything in good faith.

At the time of the parties people could not meet, many were isolated dealing with trauma of losing loved ones to the pandemic. This pathetic whining from this self-serving prat is a grave insult to all those abiding by the rules throughout the crisis. How anyone thought this chancer was ever suitable to run this country is beyond me.

But because he has rewritten the ministerial code (and even if they use the old one), sincerely believing you were acting correctly may be a defense. He is being accused of deliberately misleading parliament. This is in itself a ludicrous charge because it requires proof of motive.

The only way out would be to use the Arnold Judas Rimmer defense - that the accused is too stupid to understand he is breaking the rules. "This excuse of a man, this maggot, so stupid that he objects to his own defense (etc.)"

If the verdict is that the man is too stupid to understand the difference between right and wrong, I'd be happy with that.

Not sure that fatty has thought this one through. Given he has never thought anything through, not beyond "do I get money or a f*** out of it?" anyway.

I hope they plough him into a field.

 

[Flagship]

His defence is, yes I misled parliament but I had no idea I was doing it. So basically I did it, but not my fault guv. Absolutely risible.

Johnson is a serial liar in both his personal and professional life, there is no reason to believe he has ever done anything in good faith.

At the time of the parties people could not meet, many were isolated dealing with trauma of losing loved ones to the pandemic. This pathetic whining from this self-serving prat is a grave insult to all those abiding by the rules throughout the crisis. How anyone thought this chancer was ever suitable to run this country is beyond me.

What a load of tosh - of course people could meet, they could meet at work.
Not everyone was isolating, not bus drivers, train drivers, nurses, factory workers, farmers, police, armed forces, journalists, builders, shopworkers,etc etc, and especially politicians of all parties.
You could also go outside for exercise and walk your dog as long as you kept 2 metres apart.
Get your facts right.

 

[albionalex]

What a load of tosh - of course people could meet, they could meet at work.
Not everyone was isolating, not bus drivers, train drivers, nurses, factory workers, farmers, police, armed forces, journalists, builders, shopworkers,etc etc, and especially politicians of all parties.
You could also go outside for exercise and walk your dog as long as you kept 2 metres apart.
Get your facts right.

There's meeting at work and then 'meeting' at work with tons of booze.

 

[The Clamp]

What a load of tosh - of course people could meet, they could meet at work.
Not everyone was isolating, not bus drivers, train drivers, nurses, factory workers, farmers, police, armed forces, journalists, builders, shopworkers,etc etc, and especially politicians of all parties.
You could also go outside for exercise and walk your dog as long as you kept 2 metres apart.
Get your facts right.

We weren’t allowed to hold parties, like that mob did.

I could mix with colleagues for a 14 hour shift but wasn’t allowed to sit next to them on the bus.

I couldn’t attend my step father’s funeral, held around the same time Johnson was raising a glass to a garden full of people who had no business being at No.10.

Plough the lot of them into a ditch.

 

[WATFORD zero]

What a load of tosh - of course people could meet, they could meet at work.
Not everyone was isolating, not bus drivers, train drivers, nurses, factory workers, farmers, police, armed forces, journalists, builders, shopworkers,etc etc, and especially politicians of all parties.
You could also go outside for exercise and walk your dog as long as you kept 2 metres apart.
Get your facts right.

Sadly, I think I know the answer, and I've been told by @Bozza not to insult people on NSC

so I will simply quote Joseph de Maistre

Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite​

and to the innocents who have been caught up in this last few years of complete and utter idiocy, you have my sympathies

 

[Flagship]

There's meeting at work and then 'meeting' at work with tons of booze.

I seem to remember Starmer in a photo with a beer bottle in a meeting.

 

[knocky1]

Having looked at the 7 MPs set to seal his future he looks f##ked. My old MP Harriet, who I met in that near glorious year 1983, 2 Tories who don't care for the buffoon, an SNP MP (no more need be said) and a Tory and Labour MP I don't know anything about.
So not full of Labour. 2 week suspension handed out and agreed by a non Whip vote in the Commons, followed by 10% of Ruislip voters demanding a Bye Election and he loses his seat.

Time to mobilise the gang @spence

 

[sparkie]

What a load of tosh - of course people could meet, they could meet at work.
Not everyone was isolating, not bus drivers, train drivers, nurses, factory workers, farmers, police, armed forces, journalists, builders, shopworkers,etc etc, and especially politicians of all parties.
You could also go outside for exercise and walk your dog as long as you kept 2 metres apart.
Get your facts right.

If you wanted to party at work you had to get a job in "DownIt" Street, lol.

 

[The Clamp]

Ah! So it’s Jack’s fault. Note how many times he mentions the name Jack Doyle. Make sure that name gets into the public’s head. It was Jack.Jack. Got that? Jack Doyle said it was okay.

He’s such a ****.

Boris Johnson ‘very much looking forward’ to appearing before MPs investigating whether he misled parliament over Partygate – live

Former prime minister says he believes evidence shows he did not recklessly mislead parliament over Partygate

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gwylan]

There are also people who consider any kind of comparison between governments to be whataboutery, thereby removing any option for comparison, as suits their narrative.

But I’m sure that isn’t the case here either

But it's not the case, there's absolutely no comparison between the ERG and the Socialist Campaign Group.

Sunak has followed Johnson in keeping the ERG onside. There are six ERG members in the current cabinet and several who are junior ministers. Starmer has zero SCG members within his shadow cabinet and goes out of his way to marginalised members of the group.

Comparing ERG and SCG is almost a textbook definition of whataboutery

 

[A1X]

I seem to remember Starmer in a photo with a beer bottle in a meeting.

I lose track, was that the one where the police found no rules were broken, the one where he was clearly stood 2m apart from every one else or the one which was taken before lockdown they then tried to pass off as being during lockdown even though someone in the photo had died in 2019?

 

[Nobby]

What a load of tosh - of course people could meet, they could meet at work.
Not everyone was isolating, not bus drivers, train drivers, nurses, factory workers, farmers, police, armed forces, journalists, builders, shopworkers,etc etc, and especially politicians of all parties.
You could also go outside for exercise and walk your dog as long as you kept 2 metres apart.
Get your facts right.

Bit stupid telling people to get your facts right when you get yours wrong. In my humble opinion of course

 

[Nobby]

“Not a shred of Evidence”

 

[Rdodge30]

But it's not the case, there's absolutely no comparison between the ERG and the Socialist Campaign Group.

Sunak has followed Johnson in keeping the ERG onside. There are six ERG members in the current cabinet and several who are junior ministers. Starmer has zero SCG members within his shadow cabinet and goes out of his way to marginalised members of the group.

Comparing ERG and SCG is almost a textbook definition of whataboutery

Well only time will tell, we will have to see. I make the comparison because I see the ERG as a small (20-30) group of right wing MP’s who have been a constant problem for their party often derailing policy. It’s only my view but I could easily see the SCG playing a very similar role during the next Labour Government, as I say only time will tell.

Again it’s only my personal view but the whole accusation of ‘whataboutery’ is bewildering in terms of healthy debate.

Here is some comparison to this Government’s attitude towards immigration that was in the same Times article this weekend (source)- that also had some strong views on how the SCG are preparing for Government. you can dismiss it as whataboutery all you like

Is Alastair Campbell, who condemned government policy last week, aware that his mentor Tony Blair — with other EU leaders — lifted the arms embargo on the murderous despot Colonel Gaddafi in 2004 as a quid pro quo for the Libyan leader shutting his borders to the sub-Saharan exodus? That’s right: we gave guns to a psychopath engaged in extrajudicial assassinations in return for his stemming the flow of people. Indeed, the entire thrust of western foreign policy for quarter of a century has been to implement policies described as “partnership agreements” — which are mere cover stories, marketing doublethink, for erecting walls.

 

[nicko31]

What a load of tosh - of course people could meet, they could meet at work.
Not everyone was isolating, not bus drivers, train drivers, nurses, factory workers, farmers, police, armed forces, journalists, builders, shopworkers,etc etc, and especially politicians of all parties.
You could also go outside for exercise and walk your dog as long as you kept 2 metres apart.
Get your facts right.

There's always one...

 

[Bodian]

Has Jack Doyle given evidence to the committee? If not - I'm sure he will be called.

 

[Hotchilidog]

What a load of tosh - of course people could meet, they could meet at work.
Not everyone was isolating, not bus drivers, train drivers, nurses, factory workers, farmers, police, armed forces, journalists, builders, shopworkers,etc etc, and especially politicians of all parties.
You could also go outside for exercise and walk your dog as long as you kept 2 metres apart.
Get your facts right.

Wow the apologist in chief has arrived. Of course essential workers had no choice but the one rule for them one rule for us elite could do what they wanted. Get your facts straight