[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Neville's Breakfast]

Nothing to do with Russia or global geopolitics then?

Yes, it is. Russia is playing it well in excacerbating the supply shortfall.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

One of the promises of Brexit was lowering or even removing VAT on energy bills. Spain, still in the EU, lowered it just this week.
Labour introduced a bill to vote on it, but it was defeated 321 to 219 yesterday. 320 of those voting against were Tory MPs.
One Tory voted for it, and has had the whip removed today.

Understood. Meanwhile other EU countries such as Poland and Czech are trying to undermine the emissions trading scheme which is the continents best chance of slowing/preventing more climate change.

 

[nicko31]

On the phone with a mate of mine tonight. He voted 'leave' and thinks Corbyn was a ****. He stunned me by saying he went on a protest recently to oppose laws that Priti Vacant is pushing through, apparently under the radar, to give police enormous powers to quell 'protests' and imprison people breaching new draconian laws about what protests can be held where. I'm no fan of a protest march, but this is apparently one of many examples of sneaky laws being slipped onto the statutes while the nation fulminates about how Johnson broke his own edicts, and Johnson sniggers his sincere apologies, to gasps and swoons of incredulity (and, sadly much admiration in parts) from the audience.

People.....we are being ****ed over by this shower, and they are getting away with it, still.

Well I might not agree with him but I defend his right to protest

While all this is going on today there is so shit going on under the radar, We're slipping into becoming a police state.

The public are asleep and getting shafted

 

[The Clamp]

Ah I see, we were at cross purposes. I was talking about the next 10 years.

Aha! Yep, wholesale fuel costs are going to soar over the next few years. Agreed. And there’s nothing anyone will be able to do about it.

 

[nicko31]

In other news, nearly 130,000 new Covid cases, nearly 20,000 in hospital, 793 on ventilators.


And another 398 dead.

Highest deaths since Feb last year and Johnson had the audacity to start trying a wang on about world beating vaccines whilst being skewered by Starmer today over his illegal gathering

 

[WATFORD zero]

Ah I see, we were at cross purposes. I was talking about the next 10 years.

Hate to be pedantic, but next 7 years as you voted for Johnson to control it for the next 3 and he's made it quite clear he's not going to do what the Leave campaign said it would do and cut VAT. He even kicked an MP out of the conservative party over it

 

[Eeyore]

It is a measure of how utterly ridiculous things now are, that there are comments under that from people who believed this to be a genuine interview with an MP!

It's true. The only thing that made me think twice was not recognising her !

 

[A mex eyecan]

No, not all parties and definitely not all MP's (of all parties) are the same.

'They are all the same' is often used as an excuse by somebody who either doesn't have the time or inclination to investigate and understand what politicians or politics are about, has made a poor decision and doesn't want to admit they have made a poor decision, so makes out they were denied a decision. This Government is in power, and will be for the next 3 years, because people wanted Johnson's 5 year plan.

'They are all the same' is an excuse from people who won't take responsibility for what they have done

I'm sorry that you got all of that (and probably don't deserve it), but it does piss me off when people use this cop out

that’s not actually what i said, your rant is in itself the mirror image of what you profess to get pissed by, and is frankly insulting, uncalled for bollocks

you do not have a clue about me, what 8 do, what i know or don’t know, or even what i do or don’t look into chap

 

[Is it PotG?]

that’s not actually what i said, your rant is in itself the mirror image of what you profess to get pissed by, and is frankly insulting, uncalled for bollocks

you do not have a clue about me, what 8 do, what i know or don’t know, or even what i do or don’t look into chap

Don't mess with the Guv'nor, he knows everyone's business, thought process and fiscal situation.
He was headhunted you know .....

 

[WATFORD zero]

that’s not actually what i said, your rant is in itself the mirror image of what you profess to get pissed by, and is frankly insulting, uncalled for bollocks

you do not have a clue about me, what 8 do, what i know or don’t know, or even what i do or don’t look into chap

Fairy muff

I did point out that my rant wasn't aimed at you, simply triggered by your statement that they're all the same

I'll expect [MENTION=35196]Is it PotG?[/MENTION] to be on board any second, 7 days a week, day or night

 

[pb21]

Yes, it is. Russia is playing it well in excacerbating the supply shortfall.

The supply shortfall of what and why is there a supply shortfall?

Is it that the EU/the world is having to use more gas to produce electricity than previously?

 

[Eric the meek]

I've just downed a whisky and ginger beer. Nobody else is currently within 2 metres of me, but my wife has been at the sherry in the same room.
These days, we keep our distance.

I didn't make the drinking rules (apart from the dry January, but I didn't say our dry January was compulsory, dry, or defined by January).

Therefore, I see no reason why I should resign.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

The supply shortfall of what and why is there a supply shortfall?

And what does that have to do with energy transition?

The energy transition particularly as applied to power generation. Western European countries have been transitioning very quickly away from fossil fuel and towards renwables but this is insufficient to meet electricity demand. This means a bigger role for gas fired power stations but Russia controls gas supply to the west because LNG is being bought aggressively by China and South America. All of these markets are inter linked and you can vote Tory, Labour or SNP and it won’t make any difference.

 

[Peteinblack]

'They are all the same' is an excuse from people who won't take responsibility for what they have done

What I have noticed repeatedly in recent years, when encountering always-angry working-class Tories and Brexiters - often blokes who look like Phil Mitchell in Eastenders - on social media is that they almost always adore Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Donald Trump.

So they 'follow' or 'like' 3 of the most dishonest, egotistical, incompetent and self-serving politicians of the day, and then insist that 'All politicians are crooks or as bad as each other.' Or they scream "What about that Labour/Lib Dem/SNP/Plaid MP who fiddled £2.34 expenses 19 years ago; proves my point."

Whenever I hear this claim that "they're all as bad as each other; they're all at it", I know I'm dealing with a hard-of-thinking mouth-foaming Right-winger with an agenda, and who is thus not interested in evidence or facts which would disprove their absurd, sweeping generalisations!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Hate to be pedantic, but next 7 years as you voted for Johnson to control it for the next 3 and he's made it quite clear he's not going to do what the Leave campaign said it would do and cut VAT. He even kicked an MP out of the conservative party over it

you’re wearing me down Watford
Yes, looks like the VAT thing is a lost cause whilst Boris is in charge. That may not be for long though.

 

[pb21]

The energy transition particularly as applied to power generation. Western European countries have been transitioning very quickly away from fossil fuel and towards renwables but this is insufficient to meet electricity demand. This means a bigger role for gas fired power stations but Russia controls the supply.

But the EU's gas usage is pretty consistent, if anything decreasing recently. Has there really been a seismic shift in the number of coal fired stations shut in the past year and our demand for gas correspondingly increasing?



Either way we do need more reliance in the form of more renewable generation and energy storage.

 

[Lower West Stander]

What I have noticed repeatedly in recent years, when encountering angry working-class Tories and Brexiters - often blokes who look like Phil Mitchell in Eastenders - on social media is that they almost always adore Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Donald Trump.

So they 'follow' or 'like' 3 of the most dishonest, egotistical, incompetent and self-serving politicians of the day, and then insist that 'All politicians are crooks or as bad as each other.' Or they scream "What about that Labour/Lib Dem/SNP MP who fiddled £2.34 expenses 19 years ago; proves my point."

Whenever I hear this claim that "they're all as bad as each other; they're all at it", I know I'm dealing with a raving Right-winger with an agenda, and who is not interested in evidence or facts.

I don’t that really matters anymore.

To do what Johnson did here goes beyond anything I’ve ever seen in politics. He just lied - pure and simple. And we we were facing the biggest impact on our day to day lives since the war.

This is beyond justification by anyone, regardless of your politics. A liar is a liar - no matter what their views or political affiliations are.

He’s an absolute disgrace.


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[A mex eyecan]

I don’t that really matters anymore.

To do what Johnson did here goes beyond anything I’ve ever seen in politics. He just lied - pure and simple. And we we were facing the biggest impact on our day to day lives since the war.

This is beyond justification by anyone, regardless of your politics. A liar is a liar - no matter what their views or political affiliations are.

He’s an absolute disgrace.


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he is the epitome of the saying ‘you can tell when a politician is lying, as his lips will be moving’

the liars and the cheats do so much damage, but genuinely do not give a flying fig.

 

[rogersix]

maybe they dont want to get involved in the politics. if they investigate and find there technically werent rules broken, look like they're siding with government for those who have made their mind up already.

that's a bit of a concern then, they don't just think they're above the law, they actually are,

the death knell of a free country!

 

[Is it PotG?]

that's a bit of a concern then, they don't just think they're above the law, they actually are,

the death knell of a free country!

Yet many strive to come to our great land. Can't be all bad.