[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[clapham_gull]

I nearly suffered a Tory meltdown myself yesterday on top of a very, very traumatic period in my life I'm currently going through. A new job has resulted in my having to go to the office for the first month before WFH. The office happens to be in.......Croydon.

After work as the Thameslink train to Bedford from East Croydon I was on pulled in at London Bridge and the National Rail app showing the 1724 to Hastings was on time and it being Friday, I was feeling a bit better about things. Then as the train came to a halt I was stood by the door about to get off and there on the platform in front of me about to get on was.... Kwasi Kwarteng. I got off the train and he got on right past me, a current Tory cabinet minister.

Thinking of you at this difficult time.

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[Machiavelli]

Truss' claim that she will save £11bn in public sector waste is another broken record

She's already had to backtrack on the vast majority of it, but her plan to assign pay according to regional cost of living criteria is levelling down in operation

 

[Machiavelli]

There's no way they will be able to hold their electoral coalition together

 

[Springal]

Truss' claim that she will save £11bn in public sector waste is another broken record

She's already had to backtrack on the vast majority of it, but her plan to assign pay according to regional cost of living criteria is levelling down in operation

She’s also going to remove 2400 pieces of EU red tape and replace or repeal into the British legal system … while cutting civil servant staff levels !

 

[Randy McNob]

On the day the nation celebrates England's women winning the Euros, I see Liz Truss has a plan for cutting spend on diversity and inclusion.....

'Levelling up' is just a flowery way to say 'Cuts'

 

[WATFORD zero]

Against a backdrop of a spiralling cost of living and a shrinking economy (significant parts of which they are directly, if not wholly responsible for), their vote winning policies are

Rip up the NIP
Expand Rwanda
Cut public sector pay in poor areas
Cut taxes

It's complete and utter f***ing madness and there's still people on here trying to defend it, albeit in some cases whilst trying to be subtle

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Truss' claim that she will save £11bn in public sector waste is another broken record

She's already had to backtrack on the vast majority of it, but her plan to assign pay according to regional cost of living criteria is levelling down in operation

Hahaha. Of course

It’s all lies and rubbish.

Sunak was (till he changed track) the only one talking sense on tax and spending.

 

[nicko31]

She’s also going to remove 2400 pieces of EU red tape and replace or repeal into the British legal system … while cutting civil servant staff levels !

Most of the red tape was written by us.

Difficult to tell with this whole charade whats real and whats to the members. Need to keep it going, public getting more and more sick of the whole thing

 

[drew]

I'm guessing Truss knows there's a lot of Tory members who don't care about everyone else and it's the £ in their pocket that is all that matters. If she does win we can only hope that she can't irreparably damage the country before the next election.

 

[nicko31]

Against a backdrop of a spiralling cost of living and a shrinking economy (significant parts of which they are directly, if not wholly responsible for), their vote winning policies are

Rip up the NIP
Expand Rwanda
Cut public sector pay in poor areas
Cut taxes

It's complete and utter f***ing madness and there's still people on here trying to defend it, albeit in some cases whilst trying to be subtle

My compassion for the conned is wearing thin

 

[A1X]

Eventually the Tories are going to hit a very hard dose of reality like a brick wall. The issue is when and whether they take the rest of us down with them when they do.

At the moment they're too busy living in a post-truth fantasy land which bears increasingly little resemblance either to the political realities of the UK (such as Truss basically saying she's going to ignore Nicola Sturgeon, the democratically elected leader in the second biggest country in the UK and a leader who, unlike either of these candidates, can reasonably claim a mandate from the public) or the actual lives of ordinary people (financial turmoil, travel nightmares etc.).

 

[Jim in the West]

I'm guessing Truss knows there's a lot of Tory members who don't care about everyone else and it's the £ in their pocket that is all that matters. If she does win we can only hope that she can't irreparably damage the country before the next election.

If I understand Truss correctly, she's going to cut taxes and pay for it by reducing the wages of nurses and teachers outside the South East. This looks like a master stroke! The vast majority of Tory members will benefit from the lower taxes, and couldn't give a monkeys about public services outside Surrey and the Home Counties. What a sick, sick society we live in.....

 

[schmunk]

Expand Rwanda
:

That's going to be difficult to achieve...




...it's landlocked.

 

[nicko31]

Eventually the Tories are going to hit a very hard dose of reality like a brick wall. The issue is when and whether they take the rest of us down with them when they do.

At the moment they're too busy living in a post-truth fantasy land which bears increasingly little resemblance either to the political realities of the UK (such as Truss basically saying she's going to ignore Nicola Sturgeon, the democratically elected leader in the second biggest country in the UK and a leader who, unlike either of these candidates, can reasonably claim a mandate from the public) or the actual lives of ordinary people (financial turmoil, travel nightmares etc.).

Drove round the M25 last night, around J12 there is a huge banner on the bridge clockwise and anticlockwise

BORIS TO JAIL

The fact this is even being suggested says how fast we have fallen.

4th Tory PM in just 6 years, let the next crisis begin....

 

[drew]

If I understand Truss correctly, she's going to cut taxes and pay for it by reducing the wages of nurses and teachers outside the South East. This looks like a master stroke! The vast majority of Tory members will benefit from the lower taxes, and couldn't give a monkeys about public services outside Surrey and the Home Counties. What a sick, sick society we live in.....

I thought her immediate tax bribes were going to be funded by borrowing. So, to win her election she's going to add unnecessarily to the national debt!!

 

[Brovion]

If I understand Truss correctly, she's going to cut taxes and pay for it by reducing the wages of nurses and teachers outside the South East. This looks like a master stroke! The vast majority of Tory members will benefit from the lower taxes, and couldn't give a monkeys about public services outside Surrey and the Home Counties. What a sick, sick society we live in.....

Yes. To me this seems a lot like American Primaries. In those elections Republicans outdo each other to try and be as right-wing and as offensive as possible as they know that's what the voters (fellow Republicans) want. Then when they get the nomination they have to reign it back (a bit), as they need ordinary, decent people to vote for them as well, not just Republicans.

Currently neither Sunak or Truss are talking to the wider electorate, currently they are both just talking solely and exclusively to Tory party members. Consequently they are both just saying what the (Tory member) voters want to hear. When one of them is PM they will know that if they want to stay PM, they too will have to appeal to ordinary, decent voters, not just Tory party members. They can't really both believe the utter rubbish they're both spouting ...... can they?

 

[The Clamp]

The Tory’s are doing ever so well at controlling borders….

“Almost 700 migrants crossed the English Channel in 14 small boats on Monday, a record for the year so far”.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-62392898

I thought after a Brexit and with a tough Tory stance on people trafficking, this was a thing of the past. It seems even the threat of (never) sending people to Rwanda is not enough to stop them resorting to traffickers.


Even by Tory voters’ own warped standards, the government simply isn’t delivering what it promised Britains’ most gullible. Yet they still cheer and applaud and buy their copies of The Mail.

The sooner the old school Daily Mail readers, Brexit supporters and Tory voters die off, the better.

 

[Gwylan]

Yes. To me this seems a lot like American Primaries. In those elections Republicans outdo each other to try and be as right-wing and as offensive as possible as they know that's what the voters (fellow Republicans) want. Then when they get the nomination they have to reign it back (a bit), as they need ordinary, decent people to vote for them as well, not just Republicans.

Currently neither Sunak or Truss are talking to the wider electorate, currently they are both just talking solely and exclusively to Tory party members. Consequently they are both just saying what the (Tory member) voters want to hear. When one of them is PM they will know that if they want to stay PM, they too will have to appeal to ordinary, decent voters, not just Tory party members. They can't really both believe the utter rubbish they're both spouting ...... can they?

The trouble is that the electorate have already heard Truss say that she's going to cut public sector pay outside the SE of England and she can't unsay it. I reckon that she's calculated she can afford to lose the Red Wall seats but will protect those in the south and win some back (Canterbury, Chesham or Putney for example ... maybe even Brighton Kemptown). However, there are large numbers of Tory seats in the south-west, north and midlands that aren't part of the Red Wall and I imagine MPs for those seats are feeling rather uncomfortable today.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Drove round the M25 last night, around J12 there is a huge banner on the bridge clockwise and anticlockwise

BORIS TO JAIL

The fact this is even being suggested says how fast we have fallen.

4th Tory PM in just 6 years, let the next crisis begin....

Selling peerages for loyalty is 100 years in prison, so, yes please.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The trouble is that the electorate have already heard Truss say that she's going to cut public sector pay outside the SE of England and she can't unsay it. I reckon that she's calculated she can afford to lose the Red Wall seats but will protect those in the south and win some back (Canterbury, Chesham or Putney for example ... maybe even Brighton Kemptown). However, there are large numbers of Tory seats in the south-west, north and midlands that aren't part of the Red Wall and I imagine MPs for those seats are feeling rather uncomfortable today.

I can’t see the Tories winning Kemptown, if Liz Truss is PM. Her record on LGBT isn’t good.