[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Thunder Bolt]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/liz-truss-calls-businesses-help-27546033

Her Majesty doesn’t want it.

 

[nicko31]

It is important to note that this is a group of folks who, when polled, the majority were happy for the economy of this country to go to the dogs if it meant leaving the EU.

2019 YouGOV

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It doesn't matter how rational Sunak appears compared to fantasy Lizz, he's toast and he's the wrong colour for a lot of the UKIP intake that infiltrated the membership in recent years. I'm not saying all the members are racist but there are enough

If I was Sunak, try for a cabinet position for agreeing to stand down or use his green card, get back to Santa Monica and come back when the skip fire has run its course, things won't end well

 

[Napper]

It doesn't matter how rational Sunak appears compared to fantasy Lizz, he's toast and he's the wrong colour for a lot of the UKIP intake that infiltrated the membership in recent years. I'm not saying all the members are racist but there are enough

If I was Sunak, try for a cabinet position for agreeing to stand down or use his green card, get back to Santa Monica and come back when the skip fire has run its course, things won't end well

not everything is constantly about race. White people obsess over this way more than those that are effected by race issues the most.

He's pretty much 2nd in command for the country. Difficult to play a race bias when in that position.

As for Truss , likened to thatcher far to often for my liking. Could be another disaster for sure

 

[nicko31]

not everything is constantly about race. White people obsess over this way more than those that are effected by race issues the most.

He's pretty much 2nd in command for the country. Difficult to play a race bias when in that position.

As for Truss , likened to thatcher far to often for my liking. Could be another disaster for sure

Don't get me wrong in the broader country I don't think race is a major factor. In the Tory party membership it will be and what you or I think it largely irrelevant they're not listening

They are idelogical, the YouGov poll in 2019 told us all we need to know

 

[Stato]

I'm not saying all the members are racist but there are enough

Indeed: Reminds me of 'not all who voted for Brexit were racists, but all the racists voted for Brexit': The primary school logic problem that Mark Francois misinterpreted to manufacture fake outrage when it was put to him by Will Self.

 

[WATFORD zero]

And the lunacy continues

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[Thunder Bolt]

The Kids are Alright!

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[nicko31]

And the lunacy continues

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Remember Britannia Unchained, when Kwarteng, Truss, Raab and other put their names to a book declaring Brits as amongst the idlest in the world.

Anyway showing his true colour again now....

All the Tories ever wanted was regulation to reward themselves, their mates and their donors

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sorry to indulge but I found this, in the Liz Truss with kids tweet. I couldn't resist it. Out of the mouths of babes etc

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[Stato]

And the lunacy continues

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Remember the faux outrage at P&O's actions?

The modern Conservative party is entirely in the pocket of international capital. It cloaks itself in meaningless patrioitic gestures, but cares not a jot for Britain and British people. It will side with capital on every issue, because it is, to all intents and purposes, owned by it.

Actual political engagement, rather than just reactive responses to deliberate jabs to the limbic system, has been brought to such tiny levels among the general population by the unprecedented levels of venality that they can dismantle everything without causing outrage, because we all simply expect it of them. To paraphrase 'The Usual Suspects' - 'The greatest trick that the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that it just didn't care whether or not he existed.'

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

you think european politicans and elections are all carebear love between parties? sure, once they select their members (from the party list, no more voting out people disliked) they might frame around common ground for a short while, discarding many principled positions (see Liberals student loans). that might be centrist, until it isnt and left or right coalitions come in (Italy, Poland). reminder that in 2015 PR would have delivered 12% UKIP MPs, likely Farage and friends in cabinet as part of a coalition.

im certainly coming around to the idea of some alternative from of voting, the motivations of many seems an expectation their preference will win as a result. thats not a sound, honest basis for change.

As I noted yesterday our system gives a disproportionately large number of seats (relative to votes) to labour and tories, and a disproportionately small number of seats to the liberals and greens. That, to me, is the only things that is 'unfair'. However, another way of looking at it is like this:

For 15 years, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray were miles better than any of the other male tennis players. That said, in terms of major tournaments won, the first three have far far more than Murray. Far more than the degree of difference in ability would predict. However, the thing is, if you keep finishing second or third, you can't expect to be given trophies.

Thus the liberals regularly finish second in constituencies, second behind labour in some, second behind tories in others. Second. Not first. Like Murray.

So who says it's unfair that the number of seats they get is unfairly low compared with their support?

Frankly, the current tories excepted, the libereals have always looked far less 'competent' than either labour or tory in terms of leadership and judgement. Just when the liberals were getting up a head of steam 15 or so years ago they decided to **** it all up by devoting half their conference to spotty yoof pleading for the legaization of cannabis. Not a serious party. Likewise the greens. Come on! And for monoculture obsessives like UKIP.....

No our FPTP system keeps the Murray's of this world out of the pantheon. Good. I don't care. If a party really wants to win it needs to get properly serious and hold the attention of the public. Ideally this can be done by having grown up policies, but alas that went out of the window when Brexit loomed.....and labour supporters backed Johnson to get Brexit done.....

Hopefully the lunacy will now subside. But I am pretty sure there would be a greater chance of electing more nut job governments (coalitions of fools) with a change to our system away from FPTP.

My final point on the issue is this. When we were in the EU we knew what it was like to be in the EU. The impertaive to leave was the 'grass is greener' syndrome. But this was a step into the unknown, fingers crossed. Take a look at Dover this morning.....chucking out FPTP for a new system designed to give a different government from the usual labour or tory would be an equally risky leap into the dark. I am not in favour of any more risk taking. Not for now, anyway. Stability would be nice....

 

[nicko31]

Remember the faux outrage at P&O's actions?

The modern Conservative party is entirely in the pocket of international capital. It cloaks itself in meaningless patrioitic gestures, but cares not a jot for Britain and British people. It will side with capital on every issue, because it is, to all intents and purposes, owned by it.

Actual political engagement, rather than just reactive responses to deliberate jabs to the limbic system, has been brought to such tiny levels among the general population by the unprecedented levels of venality that they can dismantle everything without causing outrage, because we all simply expect it of them. To paraphrase 'The Usual Suspects' - 'The greatest trick that the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that it just didn't care whether or not he existed.'

Culture war stuff is for the good times, people aren't interested when they're choosing between heating and eating. They're running out of road...

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Remember the faux outrage at P&O's actions?

The modern Conservative party is entirely in the pocket of international capital. It cloaks itself in meaningless patrioitic gestures, but cares not a jot for Britain and British people. It will side with capital on every issue, because it is, to all intents and purposes, owned by it.

Actual political engagement, rather than just reactive responses to deliberate jabs to the limbic system, has been brought to such tiny levels among the general population by the unprecedented levels of venality that they can dismantle everything without causing outrage, because we all simply expect it of them. To paraphrase 'The Usual Suspects' - 'The greatest trick that the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that it just didn't care whether or not he existed.'

Talking of faux outrage at P&O, Natalie Elphicke and the Port of Dover are blaming the French for the critical incidents at Dover.
How dare they control their own border?

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[BLOCK F]

I don't have any regrets, but I was tempted and should have left the country in the late 90's . . . Several work opportunities and some others. . . then I met Mrs Zef. Aus is an option, but frankly no better than here!

And possibly harder to get hold of all the old Cortinas and scooters, maybe?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Remember the faux outrage at P&O's actions?

The modern Conservative party is entirely in the pocket of international capital. It cloaks itself in meaningless patrioitic gestures, but cares not a jot for Britain and British people. It will side with capital on every issue, because it is, to all intents and purposes, owned by it.

Actual political engagement, rather than just reactive responses to deliberate jabs to the limbic system, has been brought to such tiny levels among the general population by the unprecedented levels of venality that they can dismantle everything without causing outrage, because we all simply expect it of them. To paraphrase 'The Usual Suspects' - 'The greatest trick that the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that it just didn't care whether or not he existed.'

The actual quote is "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." I prefer the actual quote.

I was listening to a tory activist discussing the leadership election this morning. She was wistful about the candidates, and added 'I would have liked to have seen Boris as one of the candidates'.

The greatest trick Johnson ever pulled was convincing people he is a great leader.

 

[Stato]

As I noted yesterday our system gives a disproportionately large number of seats (relative to votes) to labour and tories, and a disproportionately small number of seats to the liberals and greens. That, to me, is the only things that is 'unfair'. However, another way of looking at it is like this:

For 15 years, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray were miles better than any of the other male tennis players. That said, in terms of major tournaments won, the first three have far far more than Murray. Far more than the degree of difference in ability would predict. However, the thing is, if you keep finishing second or third, you can't expect to be given trophies.

Thus the liberals regularly finish second in constituencies, second behind labour in some, second behind tories in others. Second. Not first. Like Murray.

So who says it's unfair that the number of seats they get is unfairly low compared with their support?

Frankly, the current tories excepted, the libereals have always looked far less 'competent' than either labour or tory in terms of leadership and judgement. Just when the liberals were getting up a head of steam 15 or so years ago they decided to **** it all up by devoting half their conference to spotty yoof pleading for the legaization of cannabis. Not a serious party. Likewise the greens. Come on! And for monoculture obsessives like UKIP.....

No our FPTP system keeps the Murray's of this world out of the pantheon. Good. I don't care. If a party really wants to win it needs to get properly serious and hold the attention of the public. Ideally this can be done by having grown up policies, but alas that went out of the window when Brexit loomed.....and labour supporters backed Johnson to get Brexit done.....

Hopefully the lunacy will now subside. But I am pretty sure there would be a greater chance of electing more nut job governments (coalitions of fools) with a change to our system away from FPTP.

My final point on the issue is this. When we were in the EU we knew what it was like to be in the EU. The impertaive to leave was the 'grass is greener' syndrome. But this was a step into the unknown, fingers crossed. Take a look at Dover this morning.....chucking out FPTP for a new system designed to give a different government from the usual labour or tory would be an equally risky leap into the dark. I am not in favour of any more risk taking. Not for now, anyway. Stability would be nice....

Your tennis analogy doesn't work. We don't have a president. We are not governed by one Federer or Djokovic, we are governed by groups who have agreed to fly under the same banner. Mediocre people are elected to parliament because of the colour of their rosettes. A better analogy would be football rather than tennis: Those clubs who tried to form the breakaway European Superleague believed that they could get away with it because their supporters have ultimate loyalty to the team colours, in all circumstances. Had they been less incompetent and bedevilled by mistrust of each other, it would have worked, because the vast majority are not interested in backroom deals, but have decided which team they support and will stick with it.

I'd agree that stability would be nice. Most in the country also agree. A system that elects a parliament that reflects this would lead to it. Instead we are goverened by a radical minority who are happy to risk the union that has allowed all of us to enjoy the vicarous glory upon Murray's rare triumphs.

 

[Stato]

The actual quote is "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

I know. That's why I said I was paraphrasing it.

 

[nicko31]

Talking of faux outrage at P&O, Natalie Elphicke and the Port of Dover are blaming the French for the critical incidents at Dover.
How dare they control their own border?

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Thank the Tories again

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Thank the Tories again

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Yes, but you're meant to ending their Free Movement, not ours.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Yes, but you're meant to ending their Free Movement, not ours.

A genuine shit show.