[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[jakarta]

You don't have to support Sunak's policies to agree they are reasonably coherent, as opposed to Truss who I can only think did too many E's and whiz back in the day.

Starmer PM in a couple of years time, hope he has booted out all the Corbyn acolytes by then.

 

[Randy McNob]

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You don't have to support Sunak's policies to agree they are reasonably coherent, as opposed to Truss who I can only think did too many E's and whiz back in the day.

Starmer PM in a couple of years time, hope he has booted out all the Corbyn acolytes by then.

I’m not happy about Sunak’s ‘Freeports’ although they won’t actually be ports, but zones. Otherwise known as Charter Cities. It sounds like a plan for money laundering to put it bluntly.
Plus he like the Rwanda deportations.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Your last sentence - my bolding - spot on. Some of this shitshow is firmly down to the Labour Party eating itself in the name of "democracy" and ending up as less effective than Norwich City after a promotion party. All the time Momentum were arguing for something no one else wanted, all the time the wrong Milliband was in charge, all the time the leader was an ideology fuelled hobbit with the charisma of a goat and a brother who loves conspiracy and thinks covid doesn't exist, the country was Donald Ducked either way.

The first part is interesting. We seem to have ended up with Brexit thanks to changing our system to regarding referenda ahead of parliamentary democracy like some kind of mad Swiss people on speed, so there I'd agree. However, if you have a system that is going to return the same result time and time and time again then it is not a democratic system and you might as well have a dictator. And, all the time the sitting government is in charge of devolution, independence and boundary changes they are also in charge of FTPT.

Corbyn got 12.8m votes in 2017, compared to Cameron’s 11.3m in 2015 and Milliband’s 9.3m. Who knows what that result would have been with the referendum taking over British politics.

 

[Acker79]

Some juicy blue on blue

Sources supporting Sunak said that while party members would be able to vote from 1 August, they would be urged not to write him off until later in the contest.

“We all think she [Truss] is going to be so bad at the hustings that members will change their minds,” one said. Another predicted: “He will shine at the hustings, whereas Truss is mental and will be found out.”

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If watching the west wing (particularly the Santos campaign years) has taught me anything, this is a dangerous tactic. He could nail it and would be seen as 'performing as expected', she could manage to not accidentally swallow her microphone it would be deemed a massive success.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Corbyn got 12.8m votes in 2017, compared to Cameron’s 11.3m in 2015 and Milliband’s 9.3m. Who knows what that result would have been with the referendum taking over British politics.

It doesn't matter how many votes 'Corbyn' got. He lost.

Good.

And I say that as a (post Corbyn) reinstated labour member.

To win in the UK, you need to have move votes in more constituencies than the other buggers. TFFT.

And if we can't manage that, then the tories win

As noted elsewhere, the system could be changed so we get a hung parliament (but turkeys don't vote for Crimbo) ....that would have been good....tories and liberals

 

[Bold Seagull]

It doesn't matter how many votes 'Corbyn' got. He lost.

Good.

And I say that as a (post Corbyn) reinstated labour member.

To win in the UK, you need to have move votes in more constituencies than the other buggers. TFFT.

And if we can't manage that, then the tories win

As noted elsewhere, the system could be changed so we get a hung parliament (but turkeys don't vote for Crimbo) ....that would have been good....tories and liberals

I was commenting on the analogy. The policies weren’t unpopular, even if the presentation/personnel might have been to many. An unpopular leader with unpopular policies doesn’t get over 12m votes. Regardless or winning or not, to jump from 9.3m to 12.8m votes matters and Starmer knows that. He has to steer through retaining the popularity of some of those policies with appearing more appealing to those that cannot dip their toes anywhere but the apparent safety of the centre ground.

 

[TomandJerry]

In an interview with the Times, the former chancellor said the country faced a national emergency, including on the economy, the NHS and migration.

He will set out plans to tackle the NHS backlog when he gives a speech later.

Meanwhile, Ms Truss has announced plans for a "bonfire" of EU laws retained after Brexit.

She has promised to scrap or replace all such laws which she argues hinder growth by the end of 2023.

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[A1X]

In an interview with the Times, the former chancellor said the country faced a national emergency, including on the economy, the NHS and migration.

He will set out plans to tackle the NHS backlog when he gives a speech later.

Meanwhile, Ms Truss has announced plans for a "bonfire" of EU laws retained after Brexit.

She has promised to scrap or replace all such laws which she argues hinder growth by the end of 2023.

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So one candidate who’s going to be furious when they find out which party has been in Government for the last 12 years, and one who wants to strip us of our food, medicine and other safety legislation.

 

[usernamed]

In an interview with the Times, the former chancellor said the country faced a national emergency, including on the economy, the NHS and migration.

He will set out plans to tackle the NHS backlog when he gives a speech later.

Meanwhile, Ms Truss has announced plans for a "bonfire" of EU laws retained after Brexit.

She has promised to scrap or replace all such laws which she argues hinder growth by the end of 2023.

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I do wonder what happens after they’ve achieved phase 1, which is to ensure we can only afford our rent/mortgages, council tax and energy.

What will this genius of economics think of next? Everyone knows that what a thriving economy needs is for most of the general population to be completely hamstrung by their basic living costs.

He’s presided over the story so far, can’t wait for phase 2.

 

[beorhthelm]

So one candidate who’s going to be furious when they find out which party has been in Government for the last 12 years, and one who wants to strip us of our food, medicine and other safety legislation.

most if not all regulations are in our law. or we're saying the EU did impose hundreds of laws. its bluff and bluster, talk up Brexit rhetoric without having to actually do anything.

 

[TomandJerry]

most if not all regulations are in our law. or we're saying the EU did impose hundreds of laws. its bluff and bluster, talk up Brexit rhetoric without having to actually do anything.

There are reasons JRM and ERG are backing Truss

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[The Clamp]

Truss has vowed to commission a new £200M Royal yacht. Mad cow.

 

[A1X]

most if not all regulations are in our law. or we're saying the EU did impose hundreds of laws. its bluff and bluster, talk up Brexit rhetoric without having to actually do anything.

Nobody ever said there were no EU-led laws (if they did they were idiots), it these primarily encompass the areas I mentioned. But this isn’t a Brexit thread so I won’t go down this rabbit hole.

 

[The Clamp]

most if not all regulations are in our law. or we're saying the EU did impose hundreds of laws. its bluff and bluster, talk up Brexit rhetoric without having to actually do anything.

The EU do have lots of regulation. To protect the health, safety and rights of its members. We voted for most of them. Because it was in our internet to have them. As it still is.

 

[A1X]

Truss has vowed to commission a new £200M Royal yacht. Mad cow.

So there’s no money to feed starving kids during a pandemic but there’s enough to give an old lady a massive boat she doesn’t even want?

 

[Jim in the West]

So there’s no money to feed starving kids during a pandemic but there’s enough to give an old lady a massive boat she doesn’t even want?

Quite simply, Tory party members aren't interested in feeding starving kids, but they are royalists, lovers of "The Empire", and therefore a new Royal Yacht is a corking idea. Truss and her team are simply appealing to their electorate. The remaining 65 million of us are immaterial at the mo.

 

[The Clamp]

So there’s no money to feed starving kids during a pandemic but there’s enough to give an old lady a massive boat she doesn’t even want?

Apparently this would be funded by private investors. Russians I suppose.

 

[WATFORD zero]

most if not all regulations are in our law. or we're saying the EU did impose hundreds of laws. its bluff and bluster, talk up Brexit rhetoric without having to actually do anything.

For the last 47 years we've used EU laws to cover such things as food, medicine, employment, safety and finance to save the cost of Britain doing exactly the same thing in British Law. If we are now going tear up that legislation that we copied and pasted on leaving the EU, you may be able to see the dangers.

And it's already started with the publishing of the Financial Services Bill

https://www.insurancetimes.co.uk/news/uk-government-publishes-financial-services-and-markets-bill/1441849.article

Because the Financial services markets has no history of disasters so definitely need less regulation, don't they ? I can see why some more cynical than my good self are claiming this was one of the main drivers behind Brexit

 

[The Clamp]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...snt-want-a-new-royal-yacht-but-liz-truss-does


“Even the monarchy doesn’t want a new royal yacht. But Liz Truss does
Royal Yacht Britannia was decommissioned in 1997. Now the Tory leadership hopeful is backing another one despite minimal public and political support”